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Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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There is one funny one: http://www.ndtv.com/blog/why-i-took-whatsapp-to-court-by-a-1...

"please turn off your adblocker" yeah, no thanks. Do you have another link?

Just load it with javascript disabled.

You may need to find a sane browser for that. Opera 12 does that job fine for me.

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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post #16

I would like to see a federal Staute inacted regarding the collection of user data in the US. Enacted quickly! Something on the lines of don't collect any data, besides name, password, email address. This information can never be sold. I have weird feeling, in the near future, we will find that information/data has been abused. No just abused by marketing/big data, etc.. And I'm not even arguing about the obvious--pe…

> Something on the lines of don't collect any data, besides name, password, email address. This information can never be sold. Would you then pay for the services in full that you now could use for free?

Absolutely! I am a big believer in paying for things. I wish sites would give me the "option" of paying and thus not being mined and spammed with stupid irrelevant advertisements (advocates often saying these two phenomena should cancel each other out and I have yet to see it ...) but most sites that I do pay for want to do all this stuff anyway!

To be honest I don't mind the mining so much, as long as I know there is some "protection" for my data - as is under discussion here. I do object to annoying poorly targeted ads though.

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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post #16

I would like to see a federal Staute inacted regarding the collection of user data in the US. Enacted quickly! Something on the lines of don't collect any data, besides name, password, email address. This information can never be sold. I have weird feeling, in the near future, we will find that information/data has been abused. No just abused by marketing/big data, etc.. And I'm not even arguing about the obvious--pe…

> Something on the lines of don't collect any data, besides name, password, email address. This information can never be sold. Would you then pay for the services in full that you now could use for free?

This particular case is proof that yes: for certain services we happily pay a modest recurring service fee.

Edit, clarification:

- this does not mean that I want to pay an monthly fee to use pro features on static apps. Anyone who does this instantly loses a star in the review as soon as I get around to it.

- however I also understand and appreciate that I sometimes can pay a higher up front price to support the developer(s) for apps that works offline without a service connection.

- feature keys or even donation addons etc to support further development are also well received. This nicely aligns the incentives for developers/users.

- and finally, for some select projects I would think it would be OK with a subscription that gave me all new features as they arrived.

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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Facebook asked WhatsApp users to give consent before collecting data, which some did. Why should the government intervine between consenting adults agreeing on a contract willfully? Isn't this the definition of tyranny and why we oppose things such as the war on drugs?

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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post #16

I would like to see a federal Staute inacted regarding the collection of user data in the US. Enacted quickly! Something on the lines of don't collect any data, besides name, password, email address. This information can never be sold. I have weird feeling, in the near future, we will find that information/data has been abused. No just abused by marketing/big data, etc.. And I'm not even arguing about the obvious--pe…

> Something on the lines of don't collect any data, besides name, password, email address. This information can never be sold. Would you then pay for the services in full that you now could use for free?

Yes--I didn't bring up advertising. They could advertise like the old days, like news papers did. They just couldn't target market their advertising--like they presently do at nausium.

I still think they would make their nut. They would still be winners!

And yes--I would pay for the right service, if they couldn't manage to compete by being hobbled with not targeted advertising. I paid for many websites before Google made advertising a science.

(My post has nothing to do with advertising. I get advertising. Just leave my info. out of it.)

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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post #23

I don't understand why the state has to become involved. Let the free market work and people decide for themselves. I stopped using WhatsApp the moment I read that facebook bought it.

Privacy is strongly regulated in EU, there was a strong push for it from both our legislators and normal citizens. We asked the states to be involved and not let the "free market" decide by itself. In my state one of the most important and independent role in government is the "Privacy Regulator" which has the power to check, verify and impose strong regulations on how you manage others data, and is very active.

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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post #16

I would like to see a federal Staute inacted regarding the collection of user data in the US. Enacted quickly! Something on the lines of don't collect any data, besides name, password, email address. This information can never be sold. I have weird feeling, in the near future, we will find that information/data has been abused. No just abused by marketing/big data, etc.. And I'm not even arguing about the obvious--pe…

> Something on the lines of don't collect any data, besides name, password, email address. This information can never be sold. Would you then pay for the services in full that you now could use for free?

If a sale person stood on the street and offered people to install tracking software in their phones that will record every move, every call, every text, which the customer is told will be sold at a nice profit to any one thats willing to buy it with no oversight. At the end of one year, non-poor customer that the company earned profits from from will get a one time compensation of $20.

How many people will accept the deal, and why doesn't it already exist?

Or to ask a different question, will companies demand $20 for the services instead of offering it for tracking-as-payment? How will they fare against less polished services that are given away for free by people who run it on their spare time?

Re: Facebook Ordered to Stop Collecting Data on WhatsApp Users in Germany

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post #7

Now things are going to get interesting! I completely understand the desire for privacy but I think it's unrealistic to expect that Facebook won't consolidate its data by user across all their applications. Facebook (and Google, etc.) are now in the same business as the credit reporting agencies ... You are their only product. My hope is that the increasing outrage will drive users to one of the secure messaging appl…

Now things are going to get interesting! I completely understand the desire for privacy but I thinkmit's unrealistic to expect that Facebook won't consolidate its data by user across all their applications. Facebook (and Google, etc.) are now in the same business as the credit reporting agencies ... You are their only product. The difference in this particular case is that Whatsapp made an explicit promise that they…

This all comes back to the two-faced saying of one thing loud and publicly while in the small print buried in legalese proclaiming something else. That practice needs to be illegal. It is basically fraud.
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