I'd use FF a lot more if it has multiple users as Chrome does. Without the ability to easily switch personas (read: projects) FF is a no go.
Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
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Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many distros manage to actually bundle flash which then just works out of the box. This isn't a Firefox issue its your distro.
Again blaming the "user" would get you no where. You have something that works out of the box, and something that doesn't. Doesn't matter why it's your fault, you are using it wrong, it's your operating system, you aren't holding it properly these are the excuses of poorly designed products.
Web developers continue to use an inferior solution to deliver rich content on the web.
Adobe offers such technology under a nonfree license.
Open source browser Firefox can't include flash because of the license.
Purely open source distros also cant include this.
Oems can and should ensure end users don't have to worry about this.
Distros less concerned about purity may choose to set this up for their users.
Not only is this not mozillas problem it's a wholly imaginary one. The set of people who CAN install their OS but are incapable of installing an additional package is very nearly the empty set or at least it will be when said user doesn't learn to install software on their shiny new OS.
If that's too hard tell the people that work on the package manager gui and tell them how they ought to do better. The answer however isn't making it easier to go to the vendors website and download an exe.
The ficticious grandma that people want to cater to will experience Linux when it comes preinstalled on the pc she bought at Walmart and if flash doesn't work out of the box tell dell.
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
If pages lag or freeze it might be the developers fault. I realize some are providing complex app like experiences but most web sites are just text and images artfully arranged. Making this simple thing slow requires dedicated stupidity.
Users can't fix websites, they can fix their experience by switching to a browser that works.
They can use competitors sites. I'm going to assume that you don't regularly go to physical locations receive terrible service and blame Honda and Ford.
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
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I started using FF since 0.7 version guy, I switch to chrome after the internal Mozilla stupid polemics for Brendan marriage position. Open web? please, do me the favour..
So even though Eich stepped down over the issue, and gay developers said that the work culture at Mozilla did not represent Eich's position at all, you switched browsers? The LGBT folks won that battle. If you don't switch back, then you've hurt their cause. OkCupid did this - they made a big song and dance about boycotting FireFox, intruding their political message into all their users' lives... and when the LGBT si…
Are you seriously contending that collective punishment (I mean punishing a group based on judgments against one of its members; and the corollary collective reward) is moral, efficacious, or both?
So all the lemmings who dropped (or just said they would drop) Firefox while I was CEO were obligated to rush back on board once I left? What about the various right-wingers who #nozilla'ed and otherwise boycotted after I left?
How about using the best browser in the market, built by people of diverse opinions and high ability who come together to do excellent work?
There's a good idea that seems to appeal to many people, of whatever various and diverse beliefs.
Try https://brave.com/.
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm curious then, which GPU do you have and if it's AMD or Nvidia, are you using the proprietary driver or the open source driver? I ask because I've had lag and rendering issues under the Nouveau driver that disappeared on the proprietary driver. This is on a modern workstation with a GTX 960 and both Firefox and Chromium were affected.
Intel. On my other machine with Catalyst it isn't much better either, it is worse with the open source AMD driver.
I've found the Intel Linux driver to be generally slower than the Windows counterpart, and on post-Haswell machines there are still numerous bugs in the Intel driver, so I'm not surprised. It's sad too, given that Intel tries to position themselves as friendly to the Linux community, yet they keep losing Linux devs[1].
[1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Chad-Ver...
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
On my machine there is no hardware acceleration, there is a noticeable lag with rendering and input response in Firefox. Pages load slower, scrolling is not smooth.
I'm curious then, which GPU do you have and if it's AMD or Nvidia, are you using the proprietary driver or the open source driver? I ask because I've had lag and rendering issues under the Nouveau driver that disappeared on the proprietary driver. This is on a modern workstation with a GTX 960 and both Firefox and Chromium were affected.
On my very old laptop with Via graphics chipset and Debian, Firefox works much smoother, but it might just be that CPU is too old for Chrome.
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you honestly believe that switching to firefox will be the change? Its purely symbolic considering firefox has been heavilly funded by google in the past [0] and likely still influences their decisions. A few developers doesnt account for the millions of people that use chrome, widescale change requires influencers and those willing to stand up, not a bunch of upset introverts with a distaste for authority. Honest…
I used to think like that when I was a CS student back in 2000; “You can't beat Microsoft; their stuff is the best and you would be mad not to join their camp.”, all the while scoffing at those who used alternative OSes and browsers. At some point though I started to grasp the bigger context of software and the social impact it has, and started doubting my youthful sycophantic zeal. Then I switched to Phoenix (Firefo…
I use linux as well, though ubuntu which is the mcdonalds of linux. And I often look at software through an ethical lense. But I don't view Mozilla as this nice sweet company because ultimately their power is not decentralized. They use free labor to build cool stuff but there are owners and managers that get paid way more than the people in the gutters believing in some great "vision". Open source is a ver novel concept, but the idea that mozilla wouldn't sell your data or is the 'safe' option is absolutely absurd. They have gotten caught numerous times red handed doing shady things such as the pocket drama [0]. Once theres some sort of git/bitcoin algorithm to create truely open source / uncontrolled / decentralized software, then we are in a different scenario.
I will be using servo once its out though. I am very intrigued by all the work they've put into it.
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
#288I'd use FF a lot more if it has multiple users as Chrome does. Without the ability to easily switch personas (read: projects) FF is a no go.
FF calls them "profiles" and they actually work better than Chrome's.
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
So even though Eich stepped down over the issue, and gay developers said that the work culture at Mozilla did not represent Eich's position at all, you switched browsers? The LGBT folks won that battle. If you don't switch back, then you've hurt their cause. OkCupid did this - they made a big song and dance about boycotting FireFox, intruding their political message into all their users' lives... and when the LGBT si…
Are you seriously contending that collective punishment (I mean punishing a group based on judgments against one of its members; and the corollary collective reward) is moral, efficacious, or both? So all the lemmings who dropped (or just said they would drop) Firefox while I was CEO were obligated to rush back on board once I left? What about the various right-wingers who #nozilla'ed and otherwise boycotted after I…
Don't put words into my mouth - I made zero comment on the morality of the initial action, only on the morality of people who don't clean up after themselves.
I think that your position that gave rise to the debacle was indeed deplorable, but at the same time, boycotting Mozilla was the wrong thing to do. I didn't support the boycott, because it was striking at people unrelated to the issue at hand.
Finally, if you're conducting a specific action on the basis of a moral position, then yes, you are morally obligated to reverse yourself when you win. It's the point of taking a moral position in the first place.
Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)
#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you seriously contending that collective punishment (I mean punishing a group based on judgments against one of its members; and the corollary collective reward) is moral, efficacious, or both? So all the lemmings who dropped (or just said they would drop) Firefox while I was CEO were obligated to rush back on board once I left? What about the various right-wingers who #nozilla'ed and otherwise boycotted after I…
Don't put words into my mouth - I made zero comment on the morality of the initial action, only on the morality of people who don't clean up after themselves. I think that your position that gave rise to the debacle was indeed deplorable, but at the same time, boycotting Mozilla was the wrong thing to do. I didn't support the boycott, because it was striking at people unrelated to the issue at hand. Finally, if you'r…
I didn't put words in your mouth. Your words were "If you don't switch back, then you've hurt their cause." Or now, a negative judgment on "the morality of people who don't clean up after themselves."
Thanks for writing more about your position. I appreciate that you don't endorse collective punishment. However, I still do not agree with your collective judgment of those who may have boycotted Firefox on account of me for not returning after I left. They could have found other reasons not to switch back, having tried another browser. I heard directly from some people who had exactly that experience.
It seems to me we disagree on obligations based on reactions. That's ok, peace. I suggest that cause and effect, action and reaction, are not as simple and Newtonian as you seem to say. Not only might people who left Firefox while I was CEO have found the grass greener -- some might have changed their minds and then become appalled by post-me Mozilla, and not come back on that basis.
As with the grass-is-greener cohort, I know a few folks in this category. One example: https://twitter.com/theHirad/status/547588240895528960. Here is another point of view, but I'm not sure whether a change of mind preceded it: http://jeremiahlee.tumblr.com/post/81652982229/9-quick-thoug....
I think such thoughtfulness over time, rather than hurting "their cause", does it individual/piece-wise credit.
People are not simple machines, ya know! :-)