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A disaster is looming for American men

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Re: A disaster is looming for American men

#21

seems easy to deal with, but there is no political capital to do so. invest in public infrastructure (roads, buildings, schools, health) and there will be lots of jobs. no one is automating construction away any time too soon.

I've been saying this for years. It just makes sense, and our infrastructure is in dire need of help. If we wait much longer, we'll start to have problems.

Re: A disaster is looming for American men

#22

Is this only a problem for men? And if so why? I can't help but think that an article this short can't be anything more than fluff.

> Is this only a problem for men?

Its probably more of a problem for men because the kinds of jobs advancing technology is most likely to eliminate [0] in the near future tend to be male-dominated, especially the jobs that are better quality in the first place. So, men (of particular demographics and skill/education profiles) are going to be losing more quality opportunities that they would otherwise have than women are.

Also, IIRC, there are some indications that a variety of social problems (including certain types of crime and violence) tend to increase with the proportion of long-term unemployed men but not so much with unemployed women, so even beyond the degree to which it is a problem for men, the problem men experience because of it may be disproportionately a problem for society as a whole.

> I can't help but think that an article this short can't be anything more than fluff.

Well, its mostly a call-out to another article of the author's, which is itself a review of a book by a different author. So, yeah, its not exactly intended as much of a full discussion of the issue it points to.

[0] "replace with jobs with very different entry requirements" may be more accurate in some cases, but the net effect is generally similar.

Re: A disaster is looming for American men

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post #19

Disaster is already here. In the 1950's you could raise a family with 2.3 children on a 40 hour work week. Today, families are struggling to make ends meet with 60-70+ hour work weeks. Technology was supposed to have made things more efficient. It seems to have had the opposite effect.

This is partly because the definition of comfortable has increased faster than the average salary.

Re: A disaster is looming for American men

#24
post #5

> "Job destruction caused by technology is not a futuristic concern. It is something we have been living with for two generations" If American thought leaders such as Larry Summers think that technology destroys jobs and that it's a relatively recent phenomenon, then America is truly screwed.

It's all just this century's Luddites

The ludites were of a generation that got screwed by progress. Their kids were better off though.

Re: A disaster is looming for American men

#25
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all just this century's Luddites

Nonsense. I encourage you to point out a single industry that has cropped up in the last 50 years that generates large numbers of high paying jobs that aren't subject to being automated away. In 1985 people freaking out about computers and networking was luddite behavior. Where are the 3.5 million currently un-filled jobs waiting for the truck drivers who are about to lose their careers en masse?

> Where are the 3.5 million currently un-filled jobs waiting for the truck drivers who are about to lose their careers en masse?

Space colonies? That or war.

Re: A disaster is looming for American men

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post #19

Disaster is already here. In the 1950's you could raise a family with 2.3 children on a 40 hour work week. Today, families are struggling to make ends meet with 60-70+ hour work weeks. Technology was supposed to have made things more efficient. It seems to have had the opposite effect.

I think it did make things easier, but then the fruits of that betterness were captured by the oligarch class. Our rapid progression toward a society of renters goes along with this.

Re: A disaster is looming for American men

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post #19

Disaster is already here. In the 1950's you could raise a family with 2.3 children on a 40 hour work week. Today, families are struggling to make ends meet with 60-70+ hour work weeks. Technology was supposed to have made things more efficient. It seems to have had the opposite effect.

Technology has made things more efficient - so efficient that those who own the business no longer need us.

Re: A disaster is looming for American men

#28
post #10

I love this version of Larry Summers effecting an air of concern for the common man. It's almost like he never pushed for the deregulation of the derivatives market. Magic!

It's possible to observe a trend without believing it should be prevented from happening. His argument is that we need to deal with the consequences.

Re: A disaster is looming for American men

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post #19

Disaster is already here. In the 1950's you could raise a family with 2.3 children on a 40 hour work week. Today, families are struggling to make ends meet with 60-70+ hour work weeks. Technology was supposed to have made things more efficient. It seems to have had the opposite effect.

> Today, families are struggling to make ends meet with 60-70+ hour work weeks.

Families? In some cities, singles are struggling to keep a crappy one-bedroom apartment roof over their head.

Re: A disaster is looming for American men

#30

seems easy to deal with, but there is no political capital to do so. invest in public infrastructure (roads, buildings, schools, health) and there will be lots of jobs. no one is automating construction away any time too soon.

Well, there is a small problem with that. Road projects on the eastern side of North Dakota have been delayed because all the people capable of doing those projects were on the western side making money in the oil fields. Vocational education has for the most part been exiled from our high schools[1], and we lack a lot of that expertise. Public infrastructure projects require people trained to do them.

1) an interesting parallel to the decline of programming classes can be drawn as both have specialized instructor and facility requirements

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