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The Verge editor secretly joins Apple, doesn't inform the Verge

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Re: The Verge editor secretly joins Apple, doesn't inform the Verge

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Getting a job is sometimes a way to write an in-depth article, as with this article: http://uk.businessinsider.com/i-drove-for-uber-for-a-week-he....

However, it looks like nobody was able to reach him, which might mean he had an accident.

Regardless, keeping coworkers in the dark is bad form, even if Apple was pressuring him to do so (which might not have been the case at all).

Re: The Verge editor secretly joins Apple, doesn't inform the Verge

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Maybe he's been infiltrating the Verge secretly working for Apple, and now the mission's done and he's ready to transition to official employment with Apple, he doesn't care what happens to his career at the Verge? (conspiracy intensifies)

Or, he was instructed to infiltrate Apple by Verge, and was found out. The Verge burned him, he dropped out of Apple, hence why he's supposedly not on the payroll at Apple. I don't believe this of course, but hey, tinfoil.

Eh, in that case, I would assume/hope he had those instructions in writing, as The Verge's burn has surely put a huge dent in his employability, and very likely libelous.

Re: The Verge editor secretly joins Apple, doesn't inform the Verge

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There is something fishy in this whole story. - You wouldn't risk your new position by not quitting your old one. - Apple would not want you to keep your old job since they want your focus on your new position. - Getting double salaries is not worth the paperwork headache of tricking the system. The only reason I can think of is, he would get some sort of extra pay from his old job if he would fulfil a time written o…

This exactly.

I knew someone who jumped from TiVo to Google and part of the contention in the timing of the switch for him was options vesting.

So Google (well his hiring mgr/HR) told him to keep working at TiVo and get his bonus from them and they'd have something lined up for him to jump immediately afterwards. They couldn't let him work on Google proprietary stuff, though.

Re: The Verge editor secretly joins Apple, doesn't inform the Verge

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I know someone who did this. It was both so he could collect dual salaries for a while and because he wanted to try out his new job before quitting his old one. It turned out playing out much like what Patel describes with Ziegler. Manager at old job became suspicious when he became largely unresponsive and figured out what was going on, then fired him. I think he thought he could do both at once better than he was a…

At one job we had the director of security take a lot of vacation, at his level he didn't have to report it. A couple months later someone discovered he was working full time at another company and also taking a lot of vacation there as well. Eventually the CIO fired him once the details were known. Plus he sucked at security so no idea why he even had the job in the first place.

Man that's ballsy. Taking two jobs and vacations on both? Who the hell gets away with that?

Was he trying to time slice multiple processes like an OS?

Re: The Verge editor secretly joins Apple, doesn't inform the Verge

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There's not much incentive to not do that simply as a freelancer instead, and being open about the having multiple clients. 3hours each and you could be totally productive (and not burnout)

well, but freelancers pay their own healthcare, 401k, etc. if you're running two well-paying full employments with all benefits, you have a sweet gig going. only possible in the US due to the setup of healthcare and overall taxes, etc.

US insurance carriers generally ask you to certify that you did not have insurance through another carrier/policy simultaneously (upon submission of a claim), as policies tend to have 100% coverage kick in on things like annual and lifetime maximum numbers.

Double-dipping on insurance policies messes with their actuarial table calculations.

Re: The Verge editor secretly joins Apple, doesn't inform the Verge

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How do we know he wasn't working at an Apple Store rather than Corporate? Apparently he wasn't in the corporate directory.

This was downvoted, but I recall it supposedly being an explicit condition of employment that you don't tell anyone that you are going to be an apple store employee?

Even if true, this doesn't account for not mentioning that he was leaving his job at The Verge.

Re: The Verge editor secretly joins Apple, doesn't inform the Verge

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There is something fishy in this whole story. - You wouldn't risk your new position by not quitting your old one. - Apple would not want you to keep your old job since they want your focus on your new position. - Getting double salaries is not worth the paperwork headache of tricking the system. The only reason I can think of is, he would get some sort of extra pay from his old job if he would fulfil a time written o…

Ziegler was, among other things, the automotive editor of The Verge, and is, by any measure, a car enthusiast. What follows is my wild speculation:

Given his experience in both tech media and automotive media, perhaps he was hired at Apple as part of the team whose responsibility it will be to construct the messaging and narrative around the unveiling of Apple's car program. As part of the secrecy around the project, he might well have been hired by one of Apple's automotive shell companies [1], thus his name not appearing in the Apple intranet.

As for his employment overlap, that sounds more like a mishandled quiet departure than anything else – Apple HR would certainly have instructed him to keep his transition low-profile, and maybe he simply screwed it up.

[1] http://www.businessinsider.com/alleged-apple-front-company-a...

Re: The Verge editor secretly joins Apple, doesn't inform the Verge

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How do we know he wasn't working at an Apple Store rather than Corporate? Apparently he wasn't in the corporate directory.

Apple stores are much of part of Apple, as their Cupertino campus. And Apple Store employees are directly employed by Apple.

Re: The Verge editor secretly joins Apple, doesn't inform the Verge

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Its funny with the rise of more remote work with flexible hours I wonder if there's not more then one person who's double dipping. I imagine a pretty good engineer could maybe work two full time jobs pretty easily remotely working 4-5 hours per day on each gig.

There's not much incentive to not do that simply as a freelancer instead, and being open about the having multiple clients. 3hours each and you could be totally productive (and not burnout)

It's way harder to fake hours that need to be billed to someone, I assume anyone who's double dipping on jobs isn't actually trying to do 40 hours at both, they are trying to get paid to do 40 hours at both ;)
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