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In Brooklyn, Uber is now bigger than taxis

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Re: In Brooklyn, Uber is now bigger than taxis

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Given the state of taxis in Brooklyn, a two year old with a tricycle is probably bigger than taxis.

This. This chart is not that relevant, even with green cabs. I'd be wary of drawing conclusions from this data in regards to Brooklyn as a whole. A more interesting comparison would be Uber to Gipsy/black cars. Those are going down in droves as the drivers move on to Uber and Lyft. Not a big impact for the drivers themselves, I suppose, but I've seen a lot of those little, "local" black car telephone stations closing…

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Re: In Brooklyn, Uber is now bigger than taxis

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Given the state of taxis in Brooklyn, a two year old with a tricycle is probably bigger than taxis.

This. This chart is not that relevant, even with green cabs. I'd be wary of drawing conclusions from this data in regards to Brooklyn as a whole. A more interesting comparison would be Uber to Gipsy/black cars. Those are going down in droves as the drivers move on to Uber and Lyft. Not a big impact for the drivers themselves, I suppose, but I've seen a lot of those little, "local" black car telephone stations closing…

I left BK in 2009 just before uber. I took black cars everywhere. I had a band and we would book an SUV and get a Lincoln Navigator to drag our thrash metal crusty tour equipment instead of driving our own van to local shows.

These small black car businesses were often very personable if you had an account or even used the same number consistently to book drivers.

I know Uber hired theses sorts of companies to staff in the first few years. I wonder if they realize that by doing that they put themselves out of business, and how much of that capital has left the local economy.

Re: In Brooklyn, Uber is now bigger than taxis

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Nope. I've had one of the above (or both) happen for all 5 of my most recent Manhattan UberX rides. To be clear, I'm not talking about someone joining your UberPool ride. I'm cool with that, I chose Pool after all. I'm talking about how now, Uber will assign your current driver to his next rider before your ride has ended. As in, he will drop you off and he will already have been assigned the next rider to pick up. I…

I live in Manhattan and use uber ~10 times weekly. I've never observed the behavior you describe with uberX, only uberPOOL. The UI does show you if the driver is finishing a ride near you, but it doesn't tell you to meet him at their dropoff point. It also tries to recommend known "visible" pickup locations along the street where you're calling from, but you can always specify your own location. Do either of these th…

> The UI does show you if the driver is finishing a ride near you

Ever consider what that means on the opposite end? Let's say you're an inpatient person (not a rarity in Manhattan). What happens when you call your Uber driver? Shockingly, he must now answer a call with another rider in the car. Effectively: making the ride less safe, making the ride less personal, cutting off any conversation, cutting off last minute "drop off" instructions like "under this red sign on the left" and generally degrading the entire experience.

And yes it is currently a recommended pickup spot for UberX. Thus why I said "Recommended pickup locations." Do you think it will stay that way? Given all the aforementioned stressors on Uber's monetization strategy, I highly, highly doubt it.

Re: In Brooklyn, Uber is now bigger than taxis

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When I moved to New York a few years ago all it took was a handful of taxi rides to figure out that Uber will eventually put them out of the business. I've had drivers lie about not knowing where to go, intentionally take longer routes, and lie about credit card machines while trying to get rides from New York to Brooklyn, or Brooklyn to Brooklyn. To add insult to injury nearly every single cab is filthy and smells h…

Important point: while costing to the customer the same, if not more. The result? Uber operating at huge losses. The result of that? Well, austerity measures. You can already see the signs of Uber starting to clamp down and make their service worse and worse. Recommended pickup locations -> No longer door to door? Assigning next rides before the previous one has completed -> No longer "feeling like a baller" while yo…

Uber is profitable in New York.

Re: In Brooklyn, Uber is now bigger than taxis

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UberX is becoming UberLateModelPrius here in SF

I'm less concerned about it being UberLateModelPrius (a not-fancy car was always part of the deal with X), but I've noticed last time in SF it was becoming UberFilthyLateModelPriusWithRudeDriver. That I do mind. They're becoming just like the cabs they replaced, just without the brightly colored paint jobs.

What happened to the legendary driver ratings system enforcing politeness?

Re: In Brooklyn, Uber is now bigger than taxis

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Important point: while costing to the customer the same, if not more. The result? Uber operating at huge losses. The result of that? Well, austerity measures. You can already see the signs of Uber starting to clamp down and make their service worse and worse. Recommended pickup locations -> No longer door to door? Assigning next rides before the previous one has completed -> No longer "feeling like a baller" while yo…

Uber is profitable in New York.

Oh good. They oughta be handling those billion dollar 6 month losses just fine then.

Reinvesting in owning a market that is literally an app install away from someone else stealing your lunch is not reinvesting. That's just burning cash.

Re: In Brooklyn, Uber is now bigger than taxis

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When I moved to New York a few years ago all it took was a handful of taxi rides to figure out that Uber will eventually put them out of the business. I've had drivers lie about not knowing where to go, intentionally take longer routes, and lie about credit card machines while trying to get rides from New York to Brooklyn, or Brooklyn to Brooklyn. To add insult to injury nearly every single cab is filthy and smells h…

Important point: while costing to the customer the same, if not more. The result? Uber operating at huge losses. The result of that? Well, austerity measures. You can already see the signs of Uber starting to clamp down and make their service worse and worse. Recommended pickup locations -> No longer door to door? Assigning next rides before the previous one has completed -> No longer "feeling like a baller" while yo…

I agree, Uber drivers seem to be getting progressively more clueless and inexperienced. Last night I had one that would just stare at the moving map on the GPS, without any situational awareness at all, up to the point where we were down to about 15mph on an interstate highway while he tried to figure out which of the tangle of exit ramps it wanted him to take, which was wildly unsafe. It did occur to me that for all the frustration cab drivers engendered, they did actually like know how to get from the major airport to the major train station without getting confused and stopping in the middle of the highway.

That is what it is, but the larger point I think it inspires, as does your post, is that I can't see how Uber can possibly claim that it's going to be able to generate some kind of monopoly profits from the whole endeavor.

Theoretically the whole point of all this insane fundraising and spending is that Uber will, one day, be in some dominant and unassailable position, and can raise prices. But that doesn't make any sense, they're increasingly making it clear that they have a commodity product at best. How they plan to defend that as a monopoly is a mystery.

And let's talk about self driving cars when there's at least one single car somewhere in the world that actually can drive itself somewhere without a driver present. Until that day, which is likely in the semi-distant future, we're talking about the economics and practical effects of an app based car and driver hailing service.

And lastly, it's probably worth noting the parent commenter posting multiple times in this thread defending the company actually works for Uber, and has a HN posting history almost entirely composed of defending the companies who pay him: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonbarone

Re: In Brooklyn, Uber is now bigger than taxis

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Uber is profitable in New York.

Oh good. They oughta be handling those billion dollar 6 month losses just fine then. Reinvesting in owning a market that is literally an app install away from someone else stealing your lunch is not reinvesting. That's just burning cash.

Its not about the app. Its about the Uber lawyers gaining entrance into local markets across the world. That's where the money is going.

Re: In Brooklyn, Uber is now bigger than taxis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh good. They oughta be handling those billion dollar 6 month losses just fine then. Reinvesting in owning a market that is literally an app install away from someone else stealing your lunch is not reinvesting. That's just burning cash.

Its not about the app. Its about the Uber lawyers gaining entrance into local markets across the world. That's where the money is going.

It's about Uber's very expensive lawyers clearing the regulatory path for competitors (who are only app installs away) to then utilize for free from here until the heat death of the universe?

Clever strategy.

Re: In Brooklyn, Uber is now bigger than taxis

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When I moved to New York a few years ago all it took was a handful of taxi rides to figure out that Uber will eventually put them out of the business. I've had drivers lie about not knowing where to go, intentionally take longer routes, and lie about credit card machines while trying to get rides from New York to Brooklyn, or Brooklyn to Brooklyn. To add insult to injury nearly every single cab is filthy and smells h…

Important point: while costing to the customer the same, if not more. The result? Uber operating at huge losses. The result of that? Well, austerity measures. You can already see the signs of Uber starting to clamp down and make their service worse and worse. Recommended pickup locations -> No longer door to door? Assigning next rides before the previous one has completed -> No longer "feeling like a baller" while yo…

Fair points but let me add a few things to consider as well:

"Uber operating at huge losses... service worse and worse." I don't agree here, the service is much better than before. Even with the introduction of uberpool, the service has stayed nearly the same for me in NY, and especially here in SF, while the cost has cut over 50% or more. If you follow Uber closely you can see they're investing into the company to continue to grow. You can see them experimenting with new products and services. UberEATS [1] (leveraging the same tech and driver network), San Francisco flat rate subscriptions [2], and self-driving cars [3]. Lyft and other competitors are followers at this point and are trying to compete by burning capital on huge ad-buys. Uber is significantly ahead.

"No longer door to door." This is to better connect both parties in the pickup and drop off. I've been using this non-stop in SF, it's more efficient and safe for the rider. It's also safer for the driver and helps them avoid getting tickets that ruin a driver's week.

"Feeling like a baller." There are still other products for these if you want privacy and better service. If your driver isn't giving you the expected service you can rate them accordingly.

"General quality has been declining." This shouldn't be the case. Uber has strict vehicle requirements in all cities that drivers must follow. Uber also connect drivers to fleet partners, rental partners and new and pre-owned vehicles during the signup process. If anything, the cars will get even better as they deprecate older models.

"What's your cab driver going to do...?" He will work for Uber, but again he will follow Uber's vehicle requirements.

1. http://eats.uber.com

2. https://www.uber.com/info/plus/sanfrancisco

3. https://newsroom.uber.com/pittsburgh-self-driving-uber

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