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Re: Google Allo – First Impression

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>Right now I’m not, and although he is a bit more of a privacy snob than I am, Snowden already made a point about the lack of privacy in Allo.

Wow, this is what a product designer thinks? That he's a privacy snob? When the NSA and GCHQ and others willingly violate the privacy of people every day by using the information that Google, Microsoft/Skype and others collect? There's such a thing as a privacy snob? WTF.

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> Email allows just enough delay for antispam to do its work in One solution is to only check for spam if the sender is not in your address book. And with chat, you usually have to allow somebody in your address book.

In email, senders can be trivially forged. In a modern system, you'd probably want encryption and authentication of who you're talking to. Which is great except now you have to do key management, god help you.

Not so trivially with SPF / DomainKeys but without these being core parts of the original system they are limited.

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I'm finding the auto responses suggested by Allo to be pretty creepy. They are just close enough to what I would type to tempt me to save time by clicking on them. But they aren't actually the words I would choose myself. Yet the recipient thinks these words are mine. So Google is subtly modifying the very language used by billions of people. Shades of Newspeak.

Yes. It would be nice if allo visually marked the canned responses on the receiving end.

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> a tiny number of email providers The number is not tiny if you include work email addresses: @apple.com, @ibm.com, @whitehouse.gov, @mit.edu, @bmw.com, ...

Most often a Google Apps email address.

Lots of companies prohibit the use of gmail. Even sending to gmail addresses is sometimes prohibited.

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Most often a Google Apps email address.

Lots of companies prohibit the use of gmail. Even sending to gmail addresses is sometimes prohibited.

> Even sending to gmail addresses is sometimes prohibited.

How do you know it's not a Google hosted email address if they use a custom domain (with a Google Apps plan one can use a custom domain on top of Gmail)?

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To be honest, I don't even think E2E is as important in a distributed system. If you're worried about who can see your messages, you can just set up your own server and force server-to-server and client-to-server encryption.

You shouldn't have to set up your own server to have secure communication. It should be the default for all users.

Right now, yes, agreed that to "set up your own server" is not for the casual user...but eventually setting up a server should be as a straight-forward affair - not unlike installing an app from an app store/marketplace.

Also, remember that there was a time when casual users would go through the set up of local/desktop clients in order to simply read/write email - e.g. outlook express, thunderbird, apple's mail app, etc. Whether we call it setting up a server, or installing/setting up an app., eventually it won't make much difference.

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Lots of companies prohibit the use of gmail. Even sending to gmail addresses is sometimes prohibited.

> Even sending to gmail addresses is sometimes prohibited. How do you know it's not a Google hosted email address if they use a custom domain (with a Google Apps plan one can use a custom domain on top of Gmail)?

Nobody's saying that arbitrary corporate restrictions are well thought out.

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Lots of companies prohibit the use of gmail. Even sending to gmail addresses is sometimes prohibited.

> Even sending to gmail addresses is sometimes prohibited. How do you know it's not a Google hosted email address if they use a custom domain (with a Google Apps plan one can use a custom domain on top of Gmail)?

You can sniff MX records fairly easily to figure it out: https://github.com/jace/mxsniff

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You're in luck! There is a little-known product made by Google called Hangouts[0]. It is cross platform: iOS, Android, Web, and has native apps for Windows and macOS. It stores your texts in the cloud forever, lets you send emojis and images, files, lets you video chat from any platform to any platform, and every single person with a gmail account already has it! Bonus: on Android phones it can also send SMS and MMS,…

Little known? You must be kidding. It has more than 1 Billion installations [0]. It's pre-installed on every Android Handset and is the designated successor to Google Talk, a once great XMPP chat service which had offered real xmpp federation until Google rebranded it to Hangouts. I really liked Google Talk back then, Hangouts gradually made it worse and worse. The hurdles to onboard new chat members are too big (you…

The parent comment was being sarcastic.
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