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Re: Project Shield

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Post by TeMPOraL »

mtbcoder wrote: post #47
NetStrikeForce wrote: post #39

Kudos to both Krebs and Google for their courage. I have profound admiration for Brian's work and Google's technology. I didn't know about Project Shield and I think it's an interesting initiative. However, for some reason it leaves me a bit unease (not as much as the idea of being taken down by a 650Gbps DDoS at will!) - not sure what it is, but we might be moving towards an Internet where only the "approved" would…

> I really hope ISP naming and shaming takes over, so we can make DDoS a little bit more difficult. I think naming and shaming would have little impact and whatever impact it did have would be short lived. Consumers tend to have short attention spans and zero long term memory. Take the banking/finance industry for example, were egregious, predatory and at times criminal tactics are par for the course. Banking institu…

From what I hear about the US, many people there don't even have any alternative ISP to change to...

Also changing a service provider often can be a huge inconvenience for one. For instance, if I were to learn today that my ISP makes DDoS very easy and doesn't care about the issue, I'd have a choice between one or two random small providers I don't know, and two big telecom operators that are already on my "do no ISP-related business with" list due to their annoying telemarketing.

Re: Project Shield

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Post by TeMPOraL »

slim wrote: post #50
NetStrikeForce wrote: post #39

Kudos to both Krebs and Google for their courage. I have profound admiration for Brian's work and Google's technology. I didn't know about Project Shield and I think it's an interesting initiative. However, for some reason it leaves me a bit unease (not as much as the idea of being taken down by a 650Gbps DDoS at will!) - not sure what it is, but we might be moving towards an Internet where only the "approved" would…

There would be no DDoS if computers connected to the internet were secure

> if computers connected to the internet were secure

"Secure" and "Internet-connected" are generally understood to be mutually exclusive.

Re: Project Shield

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Post by TeMPOraL »

jimmytidey wrote: post #30
Iv wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Google promised to upweight DDOSed articles in their (news) rankings in perpetuity, that's a strong incentive not to DDOS. That would actually be a strong incentive to DDOS yourself!

That's true. Although institutions deal with that kind of moral hazard in insurance all the time, so perhaps similar mechanisms could be applied here. Perhaps sites uprated for having been DDOSed could be marked as such. We already have to make many decisions about the trustworthiness of news sources, so maybe it's just another factor. I can also see why Google would just like to make DDOSing very hard and make the w…

> Perhaps sites uprated for having been DDOSed could be marked as such. We already have to make many decisions about the trustworthiness of news sources, so maybe it's just another factor.

Then I'll DDoS your already highly-ranked site just to trigger the "untrustworthy" mark for it in the results.

The problem with going social is the infinite capability of humans to game things like that. I strongly sympathize with the desire to "make the whole problem go away" instead.

Re: Project Shield

#54

Post by xemdetia »

crottypeter wrote: post #35

Off topic - ish But this site is broken at even modest levels of zoom. Content hanging off the left of the window and no scroll bar :-(

Heck even at 100% on my 1080p monitor it reads 'make people in the afer?' After zooming out to 67% I have a chance. It actual content it is kind of irksome that they have 'End repressive censorship' followed by 3 items that generally are considered censorship at some level.

Re: Project Shield

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Post by CraftThatBlock »

themihai wrote: post #37

> We’ve met news organizations around the world who suffer crippling digital attacks when they publish something controversial. Good...except Google doesn't protect you from such attacks once the US gov deems it illegal. We need a safe, anonymous protocol not the network of X corporation.

So... Tor?

Re: Project Shield

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Post by ryanlol »

CraftThatBlock wrote: post #55
themihai wrote: post #37

> We’ve met news organizations around the world who suffer crippling digital attacks when they publish something controversial. Good...except Google doesn't protect you from such attacks once the US gov deems it illegal. We need a safe, anonymous protocol not the network of X corporation.

So... Tor?

The botnet attacking Krebs could in all likelihood take down the entire Tor network.

Re: Project Shield

#57

Post by whorleater »

>"I’ve been toying with the idea of forming a 501(c)3 non-profit organization — ‘The Center for the Defense of Internet Journalism’, if you will — to assist Internet journalists with obtaining the kind of protection they may need when they become the targets of attacks like the one that hit my site."

Now this is an interesting proposal. A 501(c)3 would need to be unbiased, and also require a large amount of starting capital. On the other hand, a non-profit that strives to protect internet free speech is pretty alluring. I wonder if something like this could be in the next YC fund.

Re: Project Shield

#58

Post by dominotw »

>We’ve met news organizations around the world who suffer crippling digital attacks when they publish something controversial or that questions powerful institutions.

What are some of the recent examples of this?

Re: Project Shield

#59

Post by john_reel »

dominotw wrote: post #58

>We’ve met news organizations around the world who suffer crippling digital attacks when they publish something controversial or that questions powerful institutions. What are some of the recent examples of this?

It might not be exactly what you’re looking for, but there was the recent attack on Brian Krebs.

Re: Project Shield

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Post by themihai »

CraftThatBlock wrote: post #55
themihai wrote: post #37

> We’ve met news organizations around the world who suffer crippling digital attacks when they publish something controversial. Good...except Google doesn't protect you from such attacks once the US gov deems it illegal. We need a safe, anonymous protocol not the network of X corporation.

So... Tor?

Tor is not good enough. That's the reason we see this kind proposals.
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