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Re: Google Allo – First Impression

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I'm surprised that email is not corporate controlled yet. What did email do right that chat did wrong? Afaik, there was once a good standard for chat.

This is why you should run your own mail server. Email, along with the web, is the last part of the decentralised internet to exist. Don't let it die.

Are there email servers aimed at Linux noobs?

Re: Google Allo – First Impression

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This is why you should run your own mail server. Email, along with the web, is the last part of the decentralised internet to exist. Don't let it die.

Are there email servers aimed at Linux noobs?

Not really and the whole thing is a huge pain the ass if you want your emails to be received by Gmail/Yahoo/etc. recipients.

Re: Google Allo – First Impression

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The assistant piece of Allo is not too bad at all for a first drop. I noticed that it handled context decently between users who invoked the assistant in their chats. If you ask about a type of takeout in a specific place, and then the other party in the chat says "what about another type" without referring to the place, it handles the situation. However, if the first person says something right after the results are…

I'm guessing the lack of APIs is due to the Assistant being in a preview state, and that we'll see the start of a slew of them on Oct 4, when things like Google Home are released (and are also powered by the Assistant, according to the assistant if you ask it what Google Home is).

Right now, you can ask the assistant to turn on/off lights, call a taxi, etc, and it just responds with "I can't do that yet."

Re: Google Allo – First Impression

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The more proprietary chat platforms that arise, the more I want to see Matrix[1] / Riot[2] succeed. Communication networks should not be corporate controlled walled gardens. [1]: https://matrix.org [2]: https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/riot-ios.html https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/riot-android.html

I'm surprised that email is not corporate controlled yet. What did email do right that chat did wrong? Afaik, there was once a good standard for chat.

Email allows just enough delay for antispam to do its work in, plus a whole range of antispam solutions involving backoff. Chat requires much lower latency.

Any federated/distributed chat system would have to deal with spam and abuse upfront in its design, or people would just migrate back towards controlled systems without those problems.

There's a second issue of where the chat continuity should be kept across devices, which favours hosted systems.

(There's no fundamental reason why you couldn't build an SMTP-based chat system by imposing convention on top of the protocol, favouring short messages with no Subject header. It's just that, as implemented, email is a little too slow.)

Re: Google Allo – First Impression

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why you should run your own mail server. Email, along with the web, is the last part of the decentralised internet to exist. Don't let it die.

Are there email servers aimed at Linux noobs?

You can't really do it as a noob.

I mean, you can get a hosted VM and install Exim and Dovecot and drop in your domain name in the right places, but there are a lot of little things you have to deal with in order to get your mail to other people and others' mail to you without getting drowned in spam. Then you're fundamentally responsible for it and it can break while you're on holiday.

I used to do this, and still hang on to my own mail domain that I've had for 16 years, but I pay for it to be hosted now on a small provider.

Re: Google Allo – First Impression

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I'm finding the auto responses suggested by Allo to be pretty creepy. They are just close enough to what I would type to tempt me to save time by clicking on them. But they aren't actually the words I would choose myself. Yet the recipient thinks these words are mine. So Google is subtly modifying the very language used by billions of people. Shades of Newspeak.

Re: Google Allo – First Impression

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If there are any Googlers on here reading this, some free unsolicited advice from me to you: GMail is awesome. It made email 10 times better and easier (for me anyways) to use. Here's an idea: GText. Despite all the products that have come out, we still refer to texting as, well, texting. So, mail:GMail::text:GText. Here's my problem with Apple's iMessages: they take up all this space on my phone. And when I change p…

You're in luck! There is a little-known product made by Google called Hangouts[0]. It is cross platform: iOS, Android, Web, and has native apps for Windows and macOS. It stores your texts in the cloud forever, lets you send emojis and images, files, lets you video chat from any platform to any platform, and every single person with a gmail account already has it! Bonus: on Android phones it can also send SMS and MMS,…

And you can use it in your browser!

Re: Google Allo – First Impression

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I wasn't impressed until I messaged Google Assistant a photo of my tabby cat (no text, just the photo), to which the assistant responded with search suggestions about tabby cats . While not breaking new ground by any means (I mean this and more have been done before), it's very cool to have it in my pocket, as it were, and I'm going to keep Allo installed for now just to see where the Google Assistant goes. Really wi…

I regularly show people Google Photos and shout at them DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND HOW INCREDIBLE THIS IS? IT KNOWS WHAT "FOOD" MEANS IN BASICALLY ANY VARIATION YOU CAN THINK OF!

My favorite "this shouldn't be possible" searches are food, flowers, sunsets, dogs, (to which it returned a picture of my dog's BUTT in the dog door. No face. No paws. Just a butt with tail sticking out) Christmas (to which it returned a photo of my wife, taken in July, at Bronner's Christmas Village in Michigan, etc.

It's completely incredible how accurate it is, and it's transformed the way I access and use my photos. I still cannot get over how "food" can mean literally millions of things and it will show me plates, people eating, food on a table, food in a takeout container, individual ingredients, food being cooked, etc. Those are all so dramatically different that the fact it's able to return them so accurately boggles my mind.

Re: Google Allo – First Impression

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You can also do all of these things with the Google app, with the exact same inputs. I had a full conversation with Allo that I repeated verbally after saying "Ok Google" and the results were identical.

Can you check your emails with 'OK Google'? I use my Android phone as a satnav, and it would be really helpful on the commute to get it to read me the at least the subject lines of my inbox, I can't seem to make it do anything other than Google "Read my unread emails".

That's certainly my biggest disappointment so far with the Google Assistant, even though I understand that they will improve it with time. I wish it was at least better integrated within the Google ecosystem, so that I can interrogate it regarding my emails, my calendar or my contacts. Why can't I reference a friend using their google+ handle? Or ask for my next dentist appointment that's on my calendar? Or my last amazon order receipt in my mails? Hopefully stuff like that will come and it will make the Assistant a bit more useful and less gimmicky.

Re: Google Allo – First Impression

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I see a lot of people asking why not club this feature (and Duo) into Hangouts. I use Hangouts too, but it looks like they'd grown too complicated for a common user who wanted to 'just' do a quick text chat or a quick video chat. Hangouts had chat, SMS, video, phone calling and what not. While I didn't see any problem at all with that and found that good (except the UI that was still not good), probably it's a little daunting for some people.

I still wish what others are wishing here, that there is a unified app which just does all these things nicely with enough simplicity.

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