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UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

tajen wrote: post #190
stephenr wrote: post #166

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He resigned, stating that it's because he "couldn't manage effectively". Basically: the staff didn't respect him. As I said elsewhere, if you can't get yourself out of a situation like that, you probably don't have the chops to be CEO of the organisation anyway.

Women resign everyday "because they can't manage effectively" when, if fact, it's harassment. You could justify any discrimination with "he quit, that was his choice". Today the discrimination is against someone who held a political opinion some day in his past. Or should I say "in his/her/its/Apachehelicopter" past as to not assume their gender and not condemn my future ability to be CEO?

> Or should I say "in his/her/its/Apachehelicopter" past

You may think that's funny, but it does a disservice to your argument.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by 4ad »

8draco8 wrote: post #229
4ad wrote: post #212

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If only Firefox used a native GUI on the mac. I really don't like Safari. But I also value consistency: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/why-i-use-safari-instead-of... .

This is not SFW image!

That is jws's website (not an image), a site I expect every HN member to be aware of.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by csallen »

gnarbarian wrote: post #225
csallen wrote: post #222

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I personally think we live in a deterministic universe and free will is a farce. A serial killer is, ultimately, the product of biological and environmental forces that were out of his control. That said, we still need to draw the line somewhere if we want our laws to be effective. And the universally intuitive place to draw it is between biology and environment. The result is that environmentally unlucky individuals…

Cheers for a great discussion. Here's to hoping we don't get fired for it.

Cheers! I'm self-employed, and hopefully I'll be able to remain that way so that won't become a risk for me :)

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

cm2187 wrote: post #209
glogla wrote: post #191

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> There was no instance of Eich's views ever influencing anything on his job, and no single instance or evidence of any problem with his job. Maybe not direct instance. But if I were at Mozilla, I would have resigned because of him. I mean, Eich was giving money to people campaigning for removing civil rights from people based on their sexual orientation. That's not a small thing - if it was race instead of sexuality…

So you think that if the programer has the wrong political views, his loops and arrays stink?

No, that would be akin to thinking someone who is gay shouldn't have the same rights as someone who is straight. Although not quite as bad as that since political views are chosen.

Anyone who holds such discriminatory views should recognise that it will reduce their ability as a team player; it may not be enough to justify them losing their job, but it definitely counts as a negative against their skillset.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by yAnonymous »

sunnyps wrote: post #24
NeutronBoy wrote: post #4

While I applaud the effort that's gone into this, I urge people to consider (and use and contribute to!) Firefox. It's one of the last truly open-source browsers - both in terms of source code visibility (which Chrome(ium) has), and in terms of being able to contribute (which Chrome(ium) has not).

Why do you say that it's not easy to contribute to Chromium? Also the "last truly open-source" browser is hyperbolic given that Chromium is both open-source and is also developed in the open[1][2][3]. If anything over the past few years it has become more open-source as many components have been upstreamed (e.g. pdfium, android/ios stuff, etc.) [1] Chromium bug tracker: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/lis…

Reporting issues to both Chromium and Firefox is a pain in the ass. Valid issues will be closed for arbitrary reasons (Chromium, mostly) or are ignored for months/years despite making parts of the browser unusable.

Contributing to either feels like a waste of time.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

gnarbarian wrote: post #147
Frondo wrote: post #128

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Eich resigned because his political views made it difficult for him to continue doing his job. He wasn't imprisoned, nothing was done to him with the force of law. He just had/has unpopular views and accepted the consequences of holding those views. I struggle to see how the world could be arranged such that we could all hold forth with controversial views, but such that there was never a consequence to holding those…

Thought experiment: I think excessive welfare does more harm than good. Should I politically screen my employees to ensure that they don't hold views that contradict mine?

If those views make them less good at their job, or less good a fit for your company, sure - why not? In fact, if I were a potential employee I would want to know that you held those opinions because I would prefer to not work for you; everyone wins.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by orf »

cm2187 wrote: post #209
glogla wrote: post #191

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> There was no instance of Eich's views ever influencing anything on his job, and no single instance or evidence of any problem with his job. Maybe not direct instance. But if I were at Mozilla, I would have resigned because of him. I mean, Eich was giving money to people campaigning for removing civil rights from people based on their sexual orientation. That's not a small thing - if it was race instead of sexuality…

So you think that if the programer has the wrong political views, his loops and arrays stink?

He was the head of the company. The figurehead.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by stephenr »

gnicholas wrote: post #187
stephenr wrote: post #174

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From a security perspective wouldn't you be better served by having an up to date OS?

If I could reliably run a newer OS on an 8-year-old iMac, I would. But since I can't—and because the only thing I use the machine for is web browsing—the relevant question is which browser will be the safest.

El Capitan runs on mid 2007 and newer iMacs, no?

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by Johan-bjareholt »

sowrabh wrote: post #134
NeutronBoy wrote: post #4

While I applaud the effort that's gone into this, I urge people to consider (and use and contribute to!) Firefox. It's one of the last truly open-source browsers - both in terms of source code visibility (which Chrome(ium) has), and in terms of being able to contribute (which Chrome(ium) has not).

My problem with using Firefox is the extensions. Though one of my faves is Firefox exclusive(Yes, Downthemall!), but some of the other useful extensions(like Google Dictionary and it's alternatives for Firefox are crap) are not available for Firefox and that often pulls me back to chrome after some time.

For me its the opposite, vimperator is a lot better than vimium.
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