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UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by gnarbarian »

csallen wrote: post #206
gnarbarian wrote: post #192

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>Also, you're in the wrong direction anyway. A business refusing service isn't the same as a consumer refusing to use a business. I'm trying to establish an objective rule for what kinds of discrimination you believe should be legal. You described each situation but you didn't actually make a value judgement (which was the whole point of the question).

Being gay/black/female/disabled/etc isn't a choice, therefore I don't believe businesses should be able to discriminate on that basis. Being a neo-nazi, a racist, a nudist, a hippy, a Michael Jackson fan, etc are choices, therefore it doesn't make sense for the government to make laws protecting such groups imo.

>being a neo-nazi, a racist, a nudist, a hippy, a Michael Jackson fan, etc are choices,

I'm not so sure. Maybe they were brought up that way. You can't choose your parents or your religion in that respect. Muslims have a choice to be Muslim or not, should it be OK to discriminate against them too?

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by 4ad »

rocky1138 wrote: post #109
Mrat wrote: post #56

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Last time I tried using Firefox i didn't liked it. But last week I completely moved from Chromium to Firefox. I didn't miss Chromium.

Are you running the multiprocess Firefox build? The speed improvements with that version are insane.

If only Firefox used a native GUI on the mac. I really don't like Safari. But I also value consistency: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/why-i-use-safari-instead-of....

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by sprafa »

icelancer wrote: post #179
Frondo wrote: post #162

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"There was no instance of Eich's views ever influencing anything on his job, and no single instance or evidence of any problem with his job." I don't know if that's true. I don't know how many gay folks work for Mozilla, but I'm 100% it's a non-zero number. They might have had a real problem with his donating to Prop 8. I couldn't say whether they did, being neither gay nor a mozilla employee, but I could imagine it…

"He resigned of his own volition..." Yeah, I'm sure he just up and decided to resign with zero pressure from political insiders and the flash mob causing outrage. That's probably what happened.

The only way this will work is if you keep pretending he had no say in the matter. He resigned. Get over it.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by sprafa »

tajen wrote: post #190
stephenr wrote: post #166

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He resigned, stating that it's because he "couldn't manage effectively". Basically: the staff didn't respect him. As I said elsewhere, if you can't get yourself out of a situation like that, you probably don't have the chops to be CEO of the organisation anyway.

Women resign everyday "because they can't manage effectively" when, if fact, it's harassment. You could justify any discrimination with "he quit, that was his choice". Today the discrimination is against someone who held a political opinion some day in his past. Or should I say "in his/her/its/Apachehelicopter" past as to not assume their gender and not condemn my future ability to be CEO?

He is not a woman and he is not a part of an historically discriminated against group. You're making a huge false equivalence that ignores one simple thing: he resigned BECAUSE he was found to support discriminatory policies. If the problem is discrimination then he was part of the problem. Women who resigned because they are harassed are victims of discrimination. Men who resign because they SUPPORT discrimination are not in the same bag.

Being discreminated against for being a supporter of discrimination is not "wrong", same as it isn't ethically wrong to give the death penalty to murderers. The argument against the death penalty is we make too many mistakes, not that it's somehow wrong to sentence people to the death when they are responsible for murder.

The crime begets the punishment. Women have committed no crime, but Eich was clearly guilty.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by [deleted] »

djsumdog wrote: post #110
mynameislegion wrote: post #107

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Firefox downloads OpenH.264 blobs and are working on supporting EME blobs.

That gets into the entire H.264 licensing issue. It's a trade-off between open source and wanting to support H.264 HTML5 video. (instead of just webm) :-/

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Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by gnarbarian »

cm2187 wrote: post #209
glogla wrote: post #191

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> There was no instance of Eich's views ever influencing anything on his job, and no single instance or evidence of any problem with his job. Maybe not direct instance. But if I were at Mozilla, I would have resigned because of him. I mean, Eich was giving money to people campaigning for removing civil rights from people based on their sexual orientation. That's not a small thing - if it was race instead of sexuality…

So you think that if the programer has the wrong political views, his loops and arrays stink?

Go back and purge all their commits for wrongthink. We can fix the bugs later. That way we can remove the unspoken name from the contributors list and shame them for eternity.

>"we need good people first then good code will come later"

- paraphrased from a node.js zealot

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by nik736 »

NeutronBoy wrote: post #4

While I applaud the effort that's gone into this, I urge people to consider (and use and contribute to!) Firefox. It's one of the last truly open-source browsers - both in terms of source code visibility (which Chrome(ium) has), and in terms of being able to contribute (which Chrome(ium) has not).

For me the idea of Firefox is nice. The problem is that Safari or Chrome are far superior in my opinion. I just checked out the dev tools of Firefox again and (again, in my opinion) nowadays Safari has the best dev tools and since I already bought in the apple eco system I don't mind sharing any info with them. Not so much with Google.

Re: UnGoogled Chromium: Chromium with enhanced privacy, control and transparency

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Post by pmontra »

bad_user wrote: post #205
tracker1 wrote: post #146

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I loved the integrated tabs.. having to drag down (oops, not fast enough, try again) then a click and a swipe to close the tap instead of click/swipe alone... also it's just nasty after getting used to it... it's why I wish VS Code would go back to the pre-tab behavior, it was just so much better once you got used to it. I find that firefox is a little funky on Android though... the integration with lastpass is weird…

Personally I prefer Firefox on my Android, because it has plugins, like HTTPS Everywhere and uBlock Origin, without which a mobile browser is IMHO unusable. I also like the quick sharing actions, remembering the last 3 apps used for sharing. And the local search in your history it does, avoiding roundtrips to the search engine. Although to be fair this functionality appears to work better on the desktop. > the integr…

Thanks for the link to Keepass2Android.

I agree on much you write about Firefox but unfortunately the only sane browser to use on mobile is one that automatically reflows text on zoom. The only one I know is Opera and I can't understand why no other browser implements this feature. Any other browser forces me to endlessly scroll horizontally and not zooming means that some text can be too small to read.

I tried these addons but none of them worked for me, they appear to do nothing.

* https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/fit-text-to-w...

* https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/android-text-...

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