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Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by apatters »

vectorjohn wrote: post #46
apatters wrote: post #24

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No, he shouldn't have to learn to use them. When open source fails this type of thinking is often why. Firefox makes a product and therefore should improve that product so that more people want to use it. Vendors in a market are rarely in a position to tell the customers in that market what they should and shouldn't do. We don't want them to be in that position either, even Mozilla. They have to improve their offerin…

I think you missed the point. I for one can't stand the chrome dev tools. I use Firefox largely because i prefer the dev tools there. So, the point is, it's possible there is no real difference and it just comes down to personal preference or what you're used to. At least, that was the commenter's point which you didn't address.

You could say the same about Coke vs Pepsi, but that doesn't stop either one from trying to maximize their market share.

I think the dev tools in Firefox and Chrome are much more distinct from each other than Coke vs Pepsi, though. The last time I used the FF dev tools (which was admittedly over a year ago) they were much slower and their support for changing attributes on HTML tags inline was more limited. I think the Net tab had fewer features too but this is going back a while so my memory is fuzzy.

Even if the only difference is personal preference, what's wrong with Firefox trying to accommodate more users' preferences?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by reitanqild »

the_duke wrote: post #78
reitanqild wrote: post #54

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> But FF has been inferior to Chrome for many years. Can we please stop fueling this myth? Maybe for some of you Firefox lacks something you actually need . For others, like me and a bunch of others it is completely the other way, -if I was forced to use any other browser it would annoy me to no end (not tree tabs, etc etc). So while I think it is totally fine to point out where other does better, telling everyone th…

It's not a myth. FF was my main browser, and would be to this date if it provided the best experience. Chrome is faster, snappier, more fluid. Faster time to render, fastes JS engine. There's a reason most of the geeks switched to Chrome on their own, before Google began it's aggressive approach of converting everyone to it with ads and bundling.

This doesn't help.

For any of the reasons you mention we can pull another reason why FF is better.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by gordon_freeman »

moxie wrote: post #40

What always strikes me about these pleas is how familiar they sound. They're reminiscent of all the things we "should" -- eat better, exercise more, lower our carbon footprint -- and I suspect they all see just about the same level of long term success. Firefox did well when their only real competitor (MS) was actively trying to make their own browser bad in order to preserve the relevance of the desktop OS and their…

Limiting features such as Google Docs offline access to only Chrome is bad. I don't see that as Google is making efforts to make chrome good. I see it as Google is trying to promote Chrome browser through the demand it has generated for its core products. That kind of exclusivity is what worries me most. Especially when Google built chrome on open source Chromium.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by raverbashing »

Android is winning but the percentage that still use Apple is significant. Thank "the sheep" I guess...

The winners mentioned are the ones that require the most resources, so I guess they'll keep being that even with Bing, etc

I do use Firefox, sometimes it seems Chrome has more issues, sometimes it's FF, but I'd say they're pretty comparable (though FF has better dev tools builtin and it is easier to configure a proxy, because Chrome depends on a system config, which is not what I want to change usually)

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by s9w »

My neutral (?) view on firefox/chrome:

- Firefox uses way less RAM

- Chrome is usually faster/smoother, even if not by much. For very odd or intensive sites. And for things like dragging a tab into another window and how long it takes until inspect element loaded.

- Firefox has Tree Style Tab, Chrome doesn't and will never have. This alone makes FF the only usable browser for me

- I find the non-optional non-native and childish look of chrome silly

- Some google sites like the play store and youtube just work better on chrome

For me, I use FF because of the memory, the styling and Tree Style Tabs. And I hope they keep on fighting. I understand the chrome users though.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by formula1 »

ffggvv wrote: post #67
aorth wrote: post #60

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I maintain a copy of Firefox Developer Edition on my system and I make a concerted effort to open it every few days so it can update itself and so I can test any new sites or blog posts I'm working on. I've tried to switch back to Firefox cold turkey in the past and it never works for me, but I might introduce a personal policy of one week on, one week off, alternating between Firefox and Chrome.

This is the problem. You value your convenience more than your freedom, and the future of privacy.

Do you honestly believe that switching to firefox will be the change? Its purely symbolic considering firefox has been heavilly funded by google in the past [0] and likely still influences their decisions. A few developers doesnt account for the millions of people that use chrome, widescale change requires influencers and those willing to stand up, not a bunch of upset introverts with a distaste for authority.

Honestly, Im not sure what will help future and privacy considering your information is the number 1 comodity. But Im getting the impression that escape is impossible and we all should get used to being less "anti coorperation" and more "pro happiness"

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by reitanqild »

Springtime wrote: post #90
reitanqild wrote: post #54

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> But FF has been inferior to Chrome for many years. Can we please stop fueling this myth? Maybe for some of you Firefox lacks something you actually need . For others, like me and a bunch of others it is completely the other way, -if I was forced to use any other browser it would annoy me to no end (not tree tabs, etc etc). So while I think it is totally fine to point out where other does better, telling everyone th…

Once accustomed to browsers with more comprehensive customization it does feels rather limiting using anything else. It's the customization aspect that keeps me with Firefox coming from Opera Presto, in addition to a host of other functionality that thanks to its far more moddable nature is possible. One of the things I love about Chromium though is the responsive and device modes of the web inspector. Top quality.

I don't responsive or mobile at the moment but I guess there is some kind of extension for that.

Remember FF extensions can be quite a bit more powerful than other extensions.

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