Article shows a person pulling a bowl from a cubby at Eatsa. No different than an Automat; what's old is new again.
As Our Jobs Are Automated, Some Say We'll Need a Guaranteed Basic Income
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I'd rather stick with the tried and tested "earn a living" model of human civilization. How is a machine literally going to do these things? Is everyone going to buy a personal trainer robot? Is everyone going to install a home dermatology kit? I can't see it.
You think nobody would be interested in a personal trainer robot, but there'd be a substantiative jump in the number of people demanding new personal trainers?
yes
(unless the robots are like I, Robot level androids)
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd rather stick with the tried and tested "earn a living" model of human civilization. How is a machine literally going to do these things? Is everyone going to buy a personal trainer robot? Is everyone going to install a home dermatology kit? I can't see it.
> Is everyone going to buy a personal trainer robot? Why would you need a robot? Millions of people today already use video-guided workouts off YouTube or follow semi-customised apps that tell them what workout to do, etc.
we've had that stuff for years, the number of personal trainers has dramatically increased in that time and continues to grow
https://blog.gyminsight.com/859-most-current-fitness-industr...
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#174"Take an IPhone - you find a variety of technologies - each one was created by some government grant... The collective production of wealth, which is then privately appropriated.. it's very easy to start thinking of basic income as a dividend that goes to the collective that was responsible for collectively producting the wealth." "We need to create a system whereby society stakes a claim to the returns to aggregate…
Because "trust fund kids" is something to aspire to. Having nothing to do day-in-day-out, really messes with you. Not everyone, but on average. It's an open question if society can handle it. In the short-term it will evoke bitterness in those that work against the able-bodied that choose not to (remember the 'food-stamp surfer'?)
he addresses this at 15:30 (we can still censure idlness, but we don't need to throw them onto the street / let them starve). also previously states we need to overturn the narrative that giving to the "undeserved" (the beach bums) is something we should avoid.
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd rather stick with the tried and tested "earn a living" model of human civilization. How is a machine literally going to do these things? Is everyone going to buy a personal trainer robot? Is everyone going to install a home dermatology kit? I can't see it.
> "I'd rather stick with the tried and tested "earn a living" model of human civilization." You can try, and depending on how close you are to retirement perhaps you'll succeed, but I'd argue future generations may not have this choice. Automation/AI is on course to touch every corner of human activity, it's not a question about if it's going to happen but rather how soon and who benefits. The idea behind UBI and oth…
I think you and the others have missed the point about jobs like personal trainers. We've had plenty of automated fitness stuff for years. What a coach brings you is motivation, empathy, nuance and flexibility, understanding, conversation, the human touch. That's why that particular job sector, far from becoming redundant, is growing fast.
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gardener Housekeeper Nanny Personal trainer Personal assistant Tutor Pet care Archive researcher Take two things that could unlock numerous needs for jobs. 1) education, which we currently do en masse, but could be personalised to varying extents 2) remote working, which would free people from cities and allow them to have larger houses and gardens, and in general make service provision less efficient and require mor…
Put gardener, housekeeper, personal trainer, and pet care on the 'obvious next targets for automation' bin. I really don't think the other ones are safe. Just that it's not obvious that they aren't.
So what technology do we need to automate away personal trainer jobs, and when do you think the purge will be complete?
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gardener Housekeeper Nanny Personal trainer Personal assistant Tutor Pet care Archive researcher Take two things that could unlock numerous needs for jobs. 1) education, which we currently do en masse, but could be personalised to varying extents 2) remote working, which would free people from cities and allow them to have larger houses and gardens, and in general make service provision less efficient and require mor…
So, servants for the aristocrats, basically. Nice utopian future, if you're rich.
Lots of regular people already have a lawyer, a stylist/hairdresser, a doctor, accountant, tutor for the kids etc.
I'm pretty sure those workers don't consider themselves servants of anyone.
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
Make art, educate themselves, read books - but the reward mechanisms of those activities are much less stimulating than those of video games.
I also think art can include things like being a chef, barista, baker, barber, and brewer, distiller, wine maker; not just the things we typically call art. Things that are in more demand than paintings.
Art is already very linked to these alcohol-related jobs :-)
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#179I'm curious, and this may have been discussed elsewhere, but how would that work in a country like the US (both in terms of size of population and capitalistic greed)? For instance, when student loans became ubiquitous, universities raised their rates. Now there are many theories as to why that was but I feel the simplest explanation is that a) it created greater demand, and b) easy/cheap money (look at ITT). What's…
Of course if we give everyone $200 more rent will rise by $200 / land costs will rise by the mortgage repayments. This is why we need land value tax.
I only have very basic understanding of LVT but I don't see how it is the magic variable that makes UBI make sense. Could you explain?
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#180Basic income aside (I really like the idea) I don't agree with the general premise that we will all be automated out of a job. I think it's ignoring a lot of the human qualities that have created the world around us. In the past ~300 years we've automated more than we could ever have imagined. Our basic needs are produced in massive quantities in factories that rely on humans only for orchestration. Yet we don't work…
> We still work 40-50 hours a week, 48-50 weeks a year.
There also exist civilised countries.