Careful. Start talking about the US defeating Germany and the Russians will have something to say. There is good reason why in the US it is called WWII and in Russia "The Great Patriotic War". The walk from Moscow to Berlin was much longer than from France.
Transcript of Conversations among German Nuclear Physicists at Farm Hall (1945) [pdf]
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Re: Transcript of Conversations among German Nuclear Physicists at Farm Hall (1945) [pdf]
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
I still don't understand why Japan gives us a pass for nuking two of their cities.
Because they started it and would have killed and estimated million of our own (millions of their own!!!) invading the home islands. Why does this happen every damn time it comes up on HN. We didn't just say "hey, fuck those nips". It was the best option for everyone involved.
It's not as clear cut as you make it out to be in my opinion. Please think twice and look at the aftermath and devastation that resulted from using nuclear bombs on a civilian population.
Both sides were at fault, but to say that the U.S. was objectively right is an oversimplification.
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#13> HEISENBERG replied that had they produced and dropped such a bomb they would certainly have been executed as War Criminals having made the "most devilish thing imaginable" Heh. There's a little piece of truth to how war crimes are prosecuted.
I still don't understand why Japan gives us a pass for nuking two of their cities.
Probably something to do with the resources and lives already sacrified to an ultimately futile war effort by the Japanese government of the time, and the huge American effort put into rebuilding the country into a democratic and prosperous place afterwards.
Of course, not everybody thinks that way.
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#14> HEISENBERG replied that had they produced and dropped such a bomb they would certainly have been executed as War Criminals having made the "most devilish thing imaginable" Heh. There's a little piece of truth to how war crimes are prosecuted.
Take a look at Unit 731 vs. the Nazi human experimentation program during WWII. In exchange for the data gathered through 731's history, the U.S. turned a blind eye. The Nazis however were tried by U.S. military courts for conducting such experiments. Hypocrisy at its finest. Unit 731: "Instead of being tried for war crimes, the researchers involved in Unit 731 were secretly given immunity by the U.S. in exchange for…
We did that with plenty of Nazis too... hence NASA.
'I Aim For The Stars'..."(But Sometimes I Hit London)"
Re: Transcript of Conversations among German Nuclear Physicists at Farm Hall (1945) [pdf]
#15Some of them seemed relieved the war was going to be over. It was also interesting they weren't that interested in winning.
HEISENBERG: One can't say that. One could equally well say "That's the quickest way of ending the war.” HAHN: That's what consoles me
WEIZSÄCKER: I believe the reason we didn't do it was because all the physicists didn't want to do it, on principle. If we had all wanted Germany to win the war we would have succeeded.
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#16>GERLACH: If Germany had had a weapon which would have won the war, then Germany would have been in the right and the others in the wrong, and whether conditions in Germany are better now than they would have been after a HITLER victory –
>HEISENBERG: I don't think so. On the other hand, the days of small countries are over. Suppose HITLER had succeeded in producing his EUROPE and there had been no uranium in EUROPE.
This is now my favourite political quote.
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#17Very cool Article! For all the political discord going on in this day and age, reading this transcript really does make me feel proud to be an American.
What a strange reaction to reading this document.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Take a look at Unit 731 vs. the Nazi human experimentation program during WWII. In exchange for the data gathered through 731's history, the U.S. turned a blind eye. The Nazis however were tried by U.S. military courts for conducting such experiments. Hypocrisy at its finest. Unit 731: "Instead of being tried for war crimes, the researchers involved in Unit 731 were secretly given immunity by the U.S. in exchange for…
We did that with plenty of Nazis too... hence NASA. 'I Aim For The Stars'..."(But Sometimes I Hit London)"
True, but one was secret (Unit 731) and the other wasn't if I recall correctly.
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#19> HEISENBERG replied that had they produced and dropped such a bomb they would certainly have been executed as War Criminals having made the "most devilish thing imaginable" Heh. There's a little piece of truth to how war crimes are prosecuted.
I still don't understand why Japan gives us a pass for nuking two of their cities.
As opposed to what, a pass for killing hundreds of thousands more of their citizens in an invasion? The death toll from Okinawa alone outstrips that of both bombs, doesn't it?
Re: Transcript of Conversations among German Nuclear Physicists at Farm Hall (1945) [pdf]
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I still don't understand why Japan gives us a pass for nuking two of their cities.
Because they started it and would have killed and estimated million of our own (millions of their own!!!) invading the home islands. Why does this happen every damn time it comes up on HN. We didn't just say "hey, fuck those nips". It was the best option for everyone involved.
How many US civilians were killed by Japanese troops total vs. how many innocent women, kids, elderly, artists were firebombed and nuked by the US in Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki?
This comic book version of history present in the US is disgusting.
The US could have nuked a 100% military installation. The US could have detonated the nukes in Tokyo harbor to scare the shit out of the population.
No.
The US decided to nuke TWO, not one, TWO cities full of civilian human beings.