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VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by bhhaskin »

ultra12 wrote: post #5
will_doz wrote: post #4

It boggles my mind that people think this is okay, but when a business that doesn't agree with gay marriage and won't bake a cake, it needs government intervention (as long as they don't refuse a gay person from purchasing any cake, it should be well within their rights). These developers are using bullying tactics to try to punish the Oculus developer for merely having an opinion. It only makes me want to vote for T…

I'm sorry, but I disagree. If someone refuses to bake a cake for gay people, I agree that is well within their rights. It is also my right to not buy a cake from them. This is not a bullying tactic, this is people exercising the same freedoms that Palmer is by having and supporting his views.

People quickly forget that Palmer is a private citizen. He is free to have what ever political views he wants. I could some what understand if it was Oculus, but it is not. Oculus has nothing to do with Palmers political views.

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by serge2k »

> While everyone has a right to express his or her political opinion

We'll just try to blackmail your company into stifling political thought.

On the other hand, who would want to work with a company lead by a racist?

> "I absolutely support him doing whatever he wants politically if it's legal. To take any other position is against American values."

Also disagree with this. Refusing to work with someone because of their politics may be a nasty thing to do, but it's equally valid speech.

All that said, i don't know if Palmer Lucky is a racist. I do think he's a young man with a high profile and based on things that have happened I think he should probably have someone working with him to help maintain a more professional online presence.

His GF is a trump supporter. Maybe he is too. So is Thiel. I think less of them all because of it, but ultimately who they are politically isn't a big deal to me. I just question what good Luckey thinks can come of funding "shitposters". Throwing a fundraiser, starting a super pac, endorsing trump, etc... those are all pretty standard political process things. This just seems ridiculous.

I'd also be especially careful given what happened to Eich. Yes, he gave money to a cause many view as oppressive (me included). Don't really see a big difference between that and Trump at this point.

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by serge2k »

will_doz wrote: post #4

It boggles my mind that people think this is okay, but when a business that doesn't agree with gay marriage and won't bake a cake, it needs government intervention (as long as they don't refuse a gay person from purchasing any cake, it should be well within their rights). These developers are using bullying tactics to try to punish the Oculus developer for merely having an opinion. It only makes me want to vote for T…

> It's pretty hypocritical to attempt to stop what you think is bigotry and exclusion by doing the exact same thing to the people you don't like.

Fighting bigotry and exclusion by refusing to do business with people and calling them out for it is absolutely reasonable.

That said, it's a grey area. Eich getting forced out still leaves an unpleasant feeling with me. Sure, I think the argument of "marriage is between a man and a woman" is just complete trash, and he advocated for some form of that, but that issue does at least have a spectrum to it (marriage for all!, marriage for men + woman but something equivalent for gays, no marriage for gays, gays are abominations).

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by serge2k »

makomk wrote: post #9
will_doz wrote: post #4

It boggles my mind that people think this is okay, but when a business that doesn't agree with gay marriage and won't bake a cake, it needs government intervention (as long as they don't refuse a gay person from purchasing any cake, it should be well within their rights). These developers are using bullying tactics to try to punish the Oculus developer for merely having an opinion. It only makes me want to vote for T…

This is just the start. With the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised to see liberal companies and activists with all the correct political credentials organising boycotts of people who oppose bombing civilians abroad, just like the right were doing a decade or two ago. We've already seen accusations of misogyny and supporting violence against women levelled at them by people like J. K. Rowling (because appa…

> We've already seen accusations of misogyny and supporting violence against women levelled at them by people like J. K. Rowling (because apparently suggesting voters will consider politicians responsible for their votes is a call for violence now).

huh?

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by serge2k »

leereeves wrote: post #2

Rioters are burning down Charlotte, Hillary hasn't said a thing (except to doubt the police), but Donald Trump is the problem? > "I'm not saying all the people, but we've got the instigators that are coming in from the outside. They were coming in on buses from out of state. If you go back and look at some of the arrests that were made last night. I can about say probably 70% of those had out-of-state IDs. They're no…

What does this have to do with the article?

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by leereeves »

serge2k wrote: post #15
leereeves wrote: post #2

Rioters are burning down Charlotte, Hillary hasn't said a thing (except to doubt the police), but Donald Trump is the problem? > "I'm not saying all the people, but we've got the instigators that are coming in from the outside. They were coming in on buses from out of state. If you go back and look at some of the arrests that were made last night. I can about say probably 70% of those had out-of-state IDs. They're no…

What does this have to do with the article?

Just pointing out that there is hate on both sides, and while Hillary and her supporters are quick to condemn 25% of the country as "deplorable white-supremacists", she has nothing to say about things like this:

> Keith Lamont Scott’s Brother Calls All White People ‘Devils’

http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/keith-lamont-scotts-brother-wh...

Or this:

http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/charlotte-riots-video-white-ma...

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by carsongross »

ultra12 wrote: post #5
will_doz wrote: post #4

It boggles my mind that people think this is okay, but when a business that doesn't agree with gay marriage and won't bake a cake, it needs government intervention (as long as they don't refuse a gay person from purchasing any cake, it should be well within their rights). These developers are using bullying tactics to try to punish the Oculus developer for merely having an opinion. It only makes me want to vote for T…

I'm sorry, but I disagree. If someone refuses to bake a cake for gay people, I agree that is well within their rights. It is also my right to not buy a cake from them. This is not a bullying tactic, this is people exercising the same freedoms that Palmer is by having and supporting his views.

> If someone refuses to bake a cake for gay people, I agree that is well within their rights.

Not in America in 2016, it ain't, bub.

If you want a picture of the future, imagine the interstate commerce clause stomping on a human face, forever.

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by [deleted] »

will_doz wrote: post #4

It boggles my mind that people think this is okay, but when a business that doesn't agree with gay marriage and won't bake a cake, it needs government intervention (as long as they don't refuse a gay person from purchasing any cake, it should be well within their rights). These developers are using bullying tactics to try to punish the Oculus developer for merely having an opinion. It only makes me want to vote for T…

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Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by dogma1138 »

ultra12 wrote: post #5
will_doz wrote: post #4

It boggles my mind that people think this is okay, but when a business that doesn't agree with gay marriage and won't bake a cake, it needs government intervention (as long as they don't refuse a gay person from purchasing any cake, it should be well within their rights). These developers are using bullying tactics to try to punish the Oculus developer for merely having an opinion. It only makes me want to vote for T…

I'm sorry, but I disagree. If someone refuses to bake a cake for gay people, I agree that is well within their rights. It is also my right to not buy a cake from them. This is not a bullying tactic, this is people exercising the same freedoms that Palmer is by having and supporting his views.

Do you think it is OK to fire , refuse to hire, demote, or sanction in any other way or form some one based on the political opinions?

If you do, you are not a liberal.

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