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Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by manmal »

palebluedot wrote: post #75
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Driving your car is more risky than the odds the A/C happening to fail and the car abruptly overheating in a minute. A serious car accident is not so likely, but why take any chances?

I don't think that is what they meant. It read to me that they meant, a personal emergency could happen to _them_ while in the store (heart attack, fall and hit head, robbery, etc..). What would have been a safe 5-minute trip could turn into a multi-hour ordeal, and nobody knows to go rescue the kid stuck in the (now lethally) hot car. Probability may be low, but it is an increased risk that can be mitigated to a cer…

That is exactly what I meant, thank you.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by schiffern »

mikestew wrote: post #87
kbenson wrote: post #21

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Definitely. The fact the some states allow people to break the glass on cars to rescue overheating animals under certain circumstances is good. The fact that people know that they are allowed to do this under some circumstances, but not all the requirements that make it okay is not good. I once left my dog in my car while I walked 150 feet across a single level parking lot into a building, spent 90 seconds inside, an…

Hurray for state laws that have released the self-righteous upon us. My wife got confronted in a parking lot by self-appointed Dog Police. She was more polite than I would have been ("piss off...and go take a community college physics class"). I mean, sure, here in Texas it can get warm... Oh, wait, we live in Seattle, where 90F is record-breaking heat. And it was 68F that day. If I were in that car, I would have bee…

>Oh, wait, we live in Seattle, where 90F is record-breaking heat. And it was 68F that day.

That's quite a dangerous myth to be propagating. Automobiles are greenhouses, a technology which allows them to reach substantially higher temperatures than the ambient air.

http://heatkills.org/how-hot/#How%20hot

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by lamontcg »

palebluedot wrote: post #75
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Driving your car is more risky than the odds the A/C happening to fail and the car abruptly overheating in a minute. A serious car accident is not so likely, but why take any chances?

I don't think that is what they meant. It read to me that they meant, a personal emergency could happen to _them_ while in the store (heart attack, fall and hit head, robbery, etc..). What would have been a safe 5-minute trip could turn into a multi-hour ordeal, and nobody knows to go rescue the kid stuck in the (now lethally) hot car. Probability may be low, but it is an increased risk that can be mitigated to a cer…

You could pop an aneurysm alone in your home, and if the kids are too young they wouldn't know what to do until someone found your body.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by mikestew »

schiffern wrote: post #92
mikestew wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hurray for state laws that have released the self-righteous upon us. My wife got confronted in a parking lot by self-appointed Dog Police. She was more polite than I would have been ("piss off...and go take a community college physics class"). I mean, sure, here in Texas it can get warm... Oh, wait, we live in Seattle, where 90F is record-breaking heat. And it was 68F that day. If I were in that car, I would have bee…

> Oh, wait, we live in Seattle, where 90F is record-breaking heat. And it was 68F that day. That's quite a dangerous myth to be propagating. Automobiles are greenhouses , a technology which allows them to reach substantially higher temperatures than the ambient air. http://heatkills.org/how-hot/#How%20hot

I'll say it again: it's Seattle. We're at a latitude where the sun on it's best day in July would get its ass kicked by Texas' December sun. And we have trees: lots of them. So if you're picturing my dogs sitting in a barren Wal-Mart parking lot in the blazing summer sun, where that chart might accurately apply, please reimagine the scenario. Picture a car parked beneath shady evergreens in a place where the sun weakly peeks above the horizon for a bit.

As for that chart, it might accurate in Florida. But I've tested our camper van with its picture rear window facing south all day in July. Approximately 70F ambient, it got to low-90s in there, not 104F. I don't know what the dogs did when I was growing up when it would be 90s for days on end, but I don't recall them dying in droves.

Though that chart is a good way to bring the problem to light, I guess, don't be breaking my window based on its presumed accuracy for all situations.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by nivekmai »

avar wrote: post #61

Interesting that their marketing video has someone driving on the cycle path at 00:26. Maybe warning about that is something they can address in the next software update :)

It's already there, the steering wheel will vibrate when you go over the line to simulate those bumps on the side of the road. It even goes off if you simply cross a dotted lane that it detects. I can almost guarantee that driver was feeling the bumps (unless they turned the feature off).

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by __s »

icantdrive55 wrote: post #57
kbenson wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely. The fact the some states allow people to break the glass on cars to rescue overheating animals under certain circumstances is good. The fact that people know that they are allowed to do this under some circumstances, but not all the requirements that make it okay is not good. I once left my dog in my car while I walked 150 feet across a single level parking lot into a building, spent 90 seconds inside, an…

For every rational person, there's an emotional, narrow minded, "Everyone is bad!", over reactive person. Especially in certain counties. Counties where people have too much time on their hands; like Marin County. O.k. What's up with the vitriol dude? Over the years I have owned some large breed dogs. A Bull Mastiff, and two rescued pit bull/American bull dog mixes. They were all over 140 lbs. All three dogs wanted n…

But you can't drive..

Thanks for taking a step back to consider the lol-plebs discussion

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by CuriousCosmic »

rodgerd wrote: post #54
eth0up wrote: post #36

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I've added a link in case the above comment makes no sense: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/20/tesla-mod... The vulnerability has been "patched", but I cannot help but be peeved at any private automobile that can be remotely controlled. Of course, it isn't only Teslas: https://www.wired.com/2016/03/fbi-warns-car-hacking-real-ris...

I think it's more likely downvoted for the same reason the hack didn't appear on the HN home page, while hacks on Chryslers or the VW emissions scandal do, repeatedly: don't criticise Tesla. Even when they apparently employ idiots who hook the web browser up to the brakes.

The problem is that to be able to do OTA updates, you have to have the control system hooked up to the internet in some capacity. The only way to avoid this is to airgap the 2 and make the user plug in a patch cord to update. Of course that runs into the issue of interfering with their fleet telemetry and background 'alpha test static verification'
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