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Re: Haiku Project

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the network stack is the reason i never got into it; it didn't work on my machine at the time and i wasn't about to buy a new network card just to experiment with beos.

That is what kept me out of Linux when I was a teenager, but it was MODEM drivers at that time. Lack of driver support for an operating system is not a technical problem, it is a social problem.

Software modems, you mean. Real modems are attached to serial ports and don't require drivers :-)

Re: Haiku Project

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The filesystem metadata queries were real-time back when spinning disks were much slower and neither the processing power or ram was comparable to what we have today. With today's machines we do not have the same experience under Windows, macos, GNOME, KDE. Feature-wise yes, performance no. Is there a technical reason we couldn't have the same filesystem integration? No, there isn't, it's just incompatible priorities…

We have all that and more in macos today and have for many years. Spotlight is implemented by the same person who wrote BeFS.

The last time I used Spotlight (no mac at the moment), it was so slow that I had to disable it globally. The metadata integration in BeOS was different. For example media and email storage in BeOS.

Re: Haiku Project

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I always smile wistfully whenever Haiku/BeOS comes up... its performance and just sheer fun remains unmatched by Windows, OS X, Linux, etc (try it out in a VM). dr_dank summed it up best back in 2003 [0]: BeOS was demonstrated to me during my senior year of college. The guy giving the talk played upwards of two dozen mp3s, a dozen or so movie trailers, the GL teapot thing, etc. simultanously. None of the apps skipped…

I looked at it with young eyes of wonder when it was released. I looked at the same demo 2 years ago and alongside wonder and awe there was a pinch of sadness.

Re: Haiku Project

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Huge Hacker Comments about Haiku OS today But so few Haiku's BE/OS clone quiet power, elegance just simplicity Plan 9 and Minux all have their followers will Haiku get love More than a small toy Time will be the decider Windows look out now

Haha. +1 for the effort (though my pedantic affectations force me to note it's `BeOS' rather than BE/OS). Plan 9 had some brilliant ideas. In addition to the whole Acme editor being integrated into the OS at levels which beat out even Smalltalk, and the Plan 9 tags(1) [see: File indexing and searching for Plan 9] system was marvelous as well. I've been trying to come up with a semantic information modeling system bet…

is your elisp clone of agenda available online somewhere?

Re: Haiku Project

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Network stacks and web browsers are easier to improve incrementally than more fundamental parts of the OS.

I'm not so sure. When you implement your own OS your hands are mostly free. With browser on the other hand, you have to comply to large, complex and evolving standards (HTML/CSS/Javascript). I might be biased by the fact that I dabbled a bit with the Linux kernel and dislike graphics programming, though.

Why is he being downvoted?

Re: Haiku Project

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Network stacks and web browsers are easier to improve incrementally than more fundamental parts of the OS.

I'm not so sure. When you implement your own OS your hands are mostly free. With browser on the other hand, you have to comply to large, complex and evolving standards (HTML/CSS/Javascript). I might be biased by the fact that I dabbled a bit with the Linux kernel and dislike graphics programming, though.

That's true. Take the Redox project that's been moving along nicely. Or Haiku, Syllable, MenuetOS, etc. All of them had small teams with external vontributors that got plenty done in terms of a usable OS.

Whereas, a fast, standardized browser like Firefox takes a huge company to support it. The complexity is just huge. Plus, the standards and web experience are always moving along. Can't wait for more people to scratch an itch if you want to stay competitive.

Re: Haiku Project

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Network stacks and web browsers are easier to improve incrementally than more fundamental parts of the OS.

I'm not so sure. When you implement your own OS your hands are mostly free. With browser on the other hand, you have to comply to large, complex and evolving standards (HTML/CSS/Javascript). I might be biased by the fact that I dabbled a bit with the Linux kernel and dislike graphics programming, though.

Browser engines like WebKit are (with some work) portable to any platform with a C++ compiler: that's how the current Haiku browser is built.

Re: Haiku Project

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Interesting philosophy on why Haiku is not Linux-based (from the site): Linux-based distributions stack up software -- the Linux kernel, the X Window System, and various DEs with disparate toolkits such as GTK+ and Qt -- that do not necessarily share the same guidelines and/or goals. This lack of consistency and overall vision manifests itself in increased complexity, insufficient integration, and inefficient solutio…

I've always agreed with this, though I've never seen this particular text or seen it stated this way. Linux is a miracle of free software, it shows that a thousand people can come together and make a wonderfully complex system that actually works. But it is not elegant nor is it efficient, nor is there really any vision behind its creation. That's both a good thing (you can customize it and fork it to make it do anything you want) and a bad thing (lack of consistency). I do wish BeOS/Haiku had taken off. How different would the world be?

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From what I've seen, trademarks only limit name choices for direct competitors. That's why the existence of Apple (the music label started by the Beatles) didn't stop the name being used again by Jobs and Wozniak.

Looking at the sister Wikipedia link it appears that it did stop them from expanding their business several times in an audio/musical direction, until they coughed up some cash.

Yes, that's arguably when they started to be in the same market.
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