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Re: Haiku Project

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Post by bbcbasic »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #29
chc wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haiku predates Haiku Learning by several years. But fortunately trademarks don't generally work that way and lots of companies and products have, for example, the word "Windows" in their name.

From what I've seen, trademarks only limit name choices for direct competitors. That's why the existence of Apple (the music label started by the Beatles) didn't stop the name being used again by Jobs and Wozniak.

Looking at the sister Wikipedia link it appears that it did stop them from expanding their business several times in an audio/musical direction, until they coughed up some cash.

Re: Haiku Project

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Post by tomovo »

It would be interesting to see the modern "handmade" movement (Casey Muratori of handmade hero fame) join the project. It would be so cool if it could, for example, replace Ubuntu as the basis for Steam OS. Seems like it's the perfect fit for something that requires high performance and low latency.

Re: Haiku Project

#43

Post by agildehaus »

rcarmo wrote: post #19

I love this and would use it if I could actually install it on a modern machine, say a netbook/chromebook/winbook (I'd have to hunt around for a good browser build, SSH and remote desktop, but I like to think those exist/are feasible to self-build).

Haiku has OpenSSH and a webkit-based browser called WebPositive. All built-in to the base install.

It has a remote desktop, but I've not used it: https://www.haiku-os.org/tags/remote_desktop

Re: Haiku Project

#44

Post by laumars »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #29
chc wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haiku predates Haiku Learning by several years. But fortunately trademarks don't generally work that way and lots of companies and products have, for example, the word "Windows" in their name.

From what I've seen, trademarks only limit name choices for direct competitors. That's why the existence of Apple (the music label started by the Beatles) didn't stop the name being used again by Jobs and Wozniak.

Thats not quiet accurate because there have been a number of trademark violation claims against Apple Computers:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer

Re: Haiku Project

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Post by rzzzt »

pavlov wrote: post #14
adamnemecek wrote: post #6

BeOS (the OS Haiku is a reimplemntation of) has an interesting history. It was an OS that has a fully async C++ API (very novel for it's time and even now). The fact that it was async made the OS much more responsive and had a better CPU utilization. BeOS was another company that Apple considered to purchase but they ended up buying NeXT instead. IIRC they ended up going with NeXT because BeOS didn't have networking…

IIRC, BeOS had networking but no multi-user or printer support. The latter was pretty important for Apple's pro market at the time, which was mostly desktop publishing. Just the other day I found a BeOS Revision 3 manual in a closet. It was the first version that Be released on x86 after getting snubbed by Apple.

The owner of all files was Baron: http://web.archive.org/web/19980520213923/http://www.be.com/...

Re: Haiku Project

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Post by fu9ar »

honkhonkpants wrote: post #15
miles wrote: post #8

I always smile wistfully whenever Haiku/BeOS comes up... its performance and just sheer fun remains unmatched by Windows, OS X, Linux, etc (try it out in a VM). dr_dank summed it up best back in 2003 [0]: BeOS was demonstrated to me during my senior year of college. The guy giving the talk played upwards of two dozen mp3s, a dozen or so movie trailers, the GL teapot thing, etc. simultanously. None of the apps skipped…

Well let's don't get all romantic about something that was, in the end, half-baked. BeOS debuted at the dawn of the web, and it had a barely-working, userspace network stack and a web browser that essentially didn't work at all. It had some novel APIs, a nifty filesystem, and made for a damn good demo, but there wasn't much more to it.

The web-first approach of the entire global software industry is half-baked.

Re: Haiku Project

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Post by fu9ar »

zem wrote: post #28
honkhonkpants wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well let's don't get all romantic about something that was, in the end, half-baked. BeOS debuted at the dawn of the web, and it had a barely-working, userspace network stack and a web browser that essentially didn't work at all. It had some novel APIs, a nifty filesystem, and made for a damn good demo, but there wasn't much more to it.

the network stack is the reason i never got into it; it didn't work on my machine at the time and i wasn't about to buy a new network card just to experiment with beos.

That is what kept me out of Linux when I was a teenager, but it was MODEM drivers at that time. Lack of driver support for an operating system is not a technical problem, it is a social problem.

Re: Haiku Project

#48

Post by rcarmo »

agildehaus wrote: post #43
rcarmo wrote: post #19

I love this and would use it if I could actually install it on a modern machine, say a netbook/chromebook/winbook (I'd have to hunt around for a good browser build, SSH and remote desktop, but I like to think those exist/are feasible to self-build).

Haiku has OpenSSH and a webkit-based browser called WebPositive. All built-in to the base install. It has a remote desktop, but I've not used it: https://www.haiku-os.org/tags/remote_desktop

I know about NetPositive and the revamp, didn't see that. But what I meant was RDP support. Now if it actually installed and supported power management and the wi-fi card...

Re: Haiku Project

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Post by jason_slack »

I bought a BeBox while in college. Everyone was using DOS/Windows for C++. Not me :-) The amount I learned about threading, SMP, concurrency, locking, mutexes, was way more valuable than any college programming course I took.

I still wish an email client as good as PostMaster was available on OS X now. PE was my editor.

Haiku is a great implementation. I wish more of what it offers were in OS's that I have to use each day.

Re: Haiku Project

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Post by rcarmo »

There were some efforts to port it to ARM, but they apparently never took off. Which is kind of sad, since it would make an _amazing_ OS for, say, the Raspberry Pi.
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