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We should not have to do that.
Talk to your government, or organize a boycott threat. Your house is also visible in Street View, for precisely the same reason: It transmits electromagnetic waves that are visible from public roads.
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I seriously doubt most people even know whst "broadcast" means, or that "their" wifi is not limited to their own four walls and personal use.
Come on. There have to be some minimum standards of knowledge required for the citizens of a technological society, and I'd argue that "how radio works" is one of those things one should be expected to know.
minimum standards of knowledge required for the citizens
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This raises another imprtant question: Is it okay for a private company to have detailed positioning data from inside of your office or home? Who would really need that sort of information? I understand how this can be useful at the mall but I think I can find my way around my own house thank you.
Is it okay for a private company to have detailed positioning data from inside of your office or home? I don't know the answer to that question, but I have a guess at the answer to another question: "is it okay for a private company to create a geodatabase of SSID strings that were freely and willingly broadcast via radio?" I think the answer is "yes". Ten, fifteen years ago, if there were an HN story about how I, ow…
This should be opt-in by default in sane universe, not opt-out.
GPS for a long time haven't been used as the only source of location, to some extent it can now be considered a "2nd fiddle" to INS since solid state INS sensors are very good these days. The phone receives location information from wifi and more importantly it gets location messages from cell towers, and it uses dead reckoning[0] using it's INS sensors. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_reckoning If you want "p…
Do you have a citation on phones using inertial navigation?
It is also used for indoor navigation, Google had quite a few talks about this this one is from Google I/O 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLOUXNEcAJk (click to https://youtu.be/oLOUXNEcAJk?t=1985 if you want to see the break down).
There were a few better/more technical talks from 2010 and a few more recent ones that I'm trying to find again.
On android this is exposed through the Fused Sensor Location provider https://developers.google.com/android/reference/com/google/a....
"Fused Location Provider: Get highly accurate location information (latitude and longitude) based on combined signals from the device GPS and sensors."
This is not tower triangulation. Android searches for access points even when wifi is turned off. If anyone (with GPS enabled) uses that wifi with any google services the bssid will end up in their database. Also if the google car has been nearby it has recorded the presence of the wifi access point at that location [1]. Before you freak out: Apple and Microsoft also use access point information for positioning, alth…
Are you sure they do that when wifi is off? I was under the impression that it only happens when wifi is on (and it seems to me that my location on the map is more stable with wifi on). That would be very not ok if it would happen with wifi off. I turn my wifi off to save the battery, and it wouldn't do much if it was still looking for broadcasts.
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Is it okay for a private company to have detailed positioning data from inside of your office or home? I don't know the answer to that question, but I have a guess at the answer to another question: "is it okay for a private company to create a geodatabase of SSID strings that were freely and willingly broadcast via radio?" I think the answer is "yes". Ten, fifteen years ago, if there were an HN story about how I, ow…
> Fine, it's evil, append "_nomap" to your SSID string. That's fine for stopping Google, This should be opt-in by default in sane universe, not opt-out.
OTOH, to the extent this is not true, its ISPs and router manufacturers who are at fault.
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This raises another imprtant question: Is it okay for a private company to have detailed positioning data from inside of your office or home? Who would really need that sort of information? I understand how this can be useful at the mall but I think I can find my way around my own house thank you.
Is it okay for a private company to have detailed positioning data from inside of your office or home? I don't know the answer to that question, but I have a guess at the answer to another question: "is it okay for a private company to create a geodatabase of SSID strings that were freely and willingly broadcast via radio?" I think the answer is "yes". Ten, fifteen years ago, if there were an HN story about how I, ow…
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This raises another imprtant question: Is it okay for a private company to have detailed positioning data from inside of your office or home? Who would really need that sort of information? I understand how this can be useful at the mall but I think I can find my way around my own house thank you.
Is it okay for a private company to have detailed positioning data from inside of your office or home? I don't know the answer to that question, but I have a guess at the answer to another question: "is it okay for a private company to create a geodatabase of SSID strings that were freely and willingly broadcast via radio?" I think the answer is "yes". Ten, fifteen years ago, if there were an HN story about how I, ow…
If they don’t want to be seen, they can just stop broadcasting their face and wear a burqa, right?
There is a huge difference between "publicly available in every case seperately" and "publicly indexable".
EDIT: Instead of downvoting, please leave a comment instead – do you disagree because you believe there’s a fundamental difference between gigahertz and terahertz light waves? Or is there another reason you disagree?
