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Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by rnhmjoj »

rodgerd wrote: post #54
eth0up wrote: post #36

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I've added a link in case the above comment makes no sense: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/20/tesla-mod... The vulnerability has been "patched", but I cannot help but be peeved at any private automobile that can be remotely controlled. Of course, it isn't only Teslas: https://www.wired.com/2016/03/fbi-warns-car-hacking-real-ris...

I think it's more likely downvoted for the same reason the hack didn't appear on the HN home page, while hacks on Chryslers or the VW emissions scandal do, repeatedly: don't criticise Tesla. Even when they apparently employ idiots who hook the web browser up to the brakes.

Several articles from different sources were submitted but no a single one went above 10 points.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by UnoriginalGuy »

jedberg wrote: post #55
lucaspiller wrote: post #52

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I assume you are talking about the solar roof option of the 3rd gen Prius models. It's not quite the same, as it just powers a ventilation fan to bring (hopefully) cooler air into the cabin - it doesn't run the AC. If you park in the sun it's still going to be hot in the car, but it's not as uncomfortable when you first open it - I still wouldn't leave myself or a dog locked inside without the windows open. You can h…

No. All the Praises let you run the A/C whether you were moving or not. Since the "engine" is always on, as long as the key is nearby and the on button is pressed you can run the A/C.

> All the Praises let you run the A/C whether you were moving or not.

All modern vehicles allow this...

You're essentially saying the when the engine is on, the AC works. It has nothing to do with being a Prius or not. The only difference is that a Prius can switch into EV mode while the battery allows (and gets pretty silent) before switching back to motor (when the battery is depleted).

I've never seen a vehicle which couldn't run the AC without the vehicle moving. Maybe that was the case with vehicles before my lifetime.

PS - We own a Prius V and a Subaru Outback, both allow this.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by lucaspiller »

jedberg wrote: post #55
lucaspiller wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you are talking about the solar roof option of the 3rd gen Prius models. It's not quite the same, as it just powers a ventilation fan to bring (hopefully) cooler air into the cabin - it doesn't run the AC. If you park in the sun it's still going to be hot in the car, but it's not as uncomfortable when you first open it - I still wouldn't leave myself or a dog locked inside without the windows open. You can h…

No. All the Praises let you run the A/C whether you were moving or not. Since the "engine" is always on, as long as the key is nearby and the on button is pressed you can run the A/C.

I'm not quite sure what you are disagreeing with, but I assumed your original comment was about parking your car and leaving the AC running while you go shopping or whatever.

As I said, you can do this with a Prius but it's effectively the same as leaving the keys in the ignition as the car needs to be in "READY" mode, which means everything is running (at least on my standard 2010 model - maybe the PHEV model is different) - if you can get it, you can drive away without needing the key. You can also start the AC from the remote, but it cuts out after 3 minutes or when the battery gets low - it doesn't use the engine to recharge it.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by mstade »

toddmorey wrote: post #66
calinet6 wrote: post #65

As a UI designer, I have a question for any Tesla owners out there. Are the UI text and interface elements large enough? They appear pretty small for their intended use in a busy and distracting car environment. I notice that with each revision they bump up in size and simplicity just a little, so maybe they're narrowing in on a more optimal size, but I probably would have started much larger and simpler. I've always…

I came into the ownership experience pretty nervous that the touchscreen would be a distraction. But it works and works well. The screen is huge and all the targets are a comfortable size. You don't really get a feeling for the real scale of thing from a screenshot. It's organized and intuitive, with common controls well anchored to the edges and corners. Working with an active navigation route was the one area where…

I don't own a Tesla, but I've driven them, and I'd echo this sentiment. The screen really is huge, and the UI works surprisingly well. I say surprisingly because I came into the experience thinking it'd be difficult to navigate, hard to hit the right things on screen while driving etc., but there was none of that. All in all it was a nice experience, and I can't say I missed physical knobs and switches much.

The one thing I immediately did miss in the car though, oddly enough, were the assist handles – the ones above the passenger doors where you can hang dry cleaning etc. There were none of those. I know this has nothing to do with the original question, but still. One of those details I didn't think I needed (or wanted) until they were missed.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by simonsarris »

mavhc wrote: post #69
toomuchtodo wrote: post #5

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No sensors, you have to set the high and low thresholds manually.

I'm surprised by that, my 2006 Prius has internal sensors for activating the theft alarm, with a button to disable if you're leaving things that move inside.

Yeah but then you accidentally kill your sleeping baby because it doesn't activate.

I suspect they considered it and decided not to do it because the safety threat of a minute mistake is just too high.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by calinet6 »

mstade wrote: post #84
toddmorey wrote: post #66

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I came into the ownership experience pretty nervous that the touchscreen would be a distraction. But it works and works well. The screen is huge and all the targets are a comfortable size. You don't really get a feeling for the real scale of thing from a screenshot. It's organized and intuitive, with common controls well anchored to the edges and corners. Working with an active navigation route was the one area where…

I don't own a Tesla, but I've driven them, and I'd echo this sentiment. The screen really is huge, and the UI works surprisingly well. I say surprisingly because I came into the experience thinking it'd be difficult to navigate, hard to hit the right things on screen while driving etc., but there was none of that. All in all it was a nice experience, and I can't say I missed physical knobs and switches much. The one…

Geez, especially in a car that can accelerate as quickly as a Tesla, you'd think they'd give the passengers some nice handles in a predictable familiar spot like that!

Small detail you're right, but that's pretty funny.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by mikestew »

kbenson wrote: post #21
jedberg wrote: post #12

> Cabin Overheat Protection I hope that besides cooling the car it includes a feature that pulls down some signs in the windows that says "no really the A/C is on and my kid/dog is fine, don't break the glass". I mean I'm kinda joking here but not really. This has been a problem for Prius owners for a long time (they can have a/c on manually when the car is off)

Definitely. The fact the some states allow people to break the glass on cars to rescue overheating animals under certain circumstances is good. The fact that people know that they are allowed to do this under some circumstances, but not all the requirements that make it okay is not good. I once left my dog in my car while I walked 150 feet across a single level parking lot into a building, spent 90 seconds inside, an…

Hurray for state laws that have released the self-righteous upon us. My wife got confronted in a parking lot by self-appointed Dog Police. She was more polite than I would have been ("piss off...and go take a community college physics class"). I mean, sure, here in Texas it can get warm...

Oh, wait, we live in Seattle, where 90F is record-breaking heat. And it was 68F that day. If I were in that car, I would have been rolling the windows up a little for fear of getting chilly.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by mikestew »

icantdrive55 wrote: post #57
kbenson wrote: post #21

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Definitely. The fact the some states allow people to break the glass on cars to rescue overheating animals under certain circumstances is good. The fact that people know that they are allowed to do this under some circumstances, but not all the requirements that make it okay is not good. I once left my dog in my car while I walked 150 feet across a single level parking lot into a building, spent 90 seconds inside, an…

For every rational person, there's an emotional, narrow minded, "Everyone is bad!", over reactive person. Especially in certain counties. Counties where people have too much time on their hands; like Marin County. O.k. What's up with the vitriol dude? Over the years I have owned some large breed dogs. A Bull Mastiff, and two rescued pit bull/American bull dog mixes. They were all over 140 lbs. All three dogs wanted n…

I can guarantee this, if anyone decided to break the plexiglass widows on my Leer shell, or cut the wire over the windows; that "know-it-all" would not be alive.

Pittie-Mastiff came to live at our house as of February. Friendliest guy, loves everyone he meets. I stop at the Korean grocery down the street a lot, talk to the owners all the time as best their limited English allows. Had Brody in the car one day, owner expresses interest in saying "hi". "Sure, he loves everyone", I said as the guy approached the open window. Whoops, Brody loves everyone as long as they STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM HIS CAR. No harm, no foul, and now we know better.

But I pity the fool who thinks they're going to "save" Brody from the car that's parked in the shade in the blistering 70F Seattle heat.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by mstade »

calinet6 wrote: post #86
mstade wrote: post #84

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I don't own a Tesla, but I've driven them, and I'd echo this sentiment. The screen really is huge, and the UI works surprisingly well. I say surprisingly because I came into the experience thinking it'd be difficult to navigate, hard to hit the right things on screen while driving etc., but there was none of that. All in all it was a nice experience, and I can't say I missed physical knobs and switches much. The one…

Geez, especially in a car that can accelerate as quickly as a Tesla, you'd think they'd give the passengers some nice handles in a predictable familiar spot like that! Small detail you're right, but that's pretty funny.

Haha that's actually exactly how I noticed: a friend was driving and wanted to see how fast the thing would go. Naturally I grab for the handle and – it's just not there. :o)

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Post by dewski »

JugMarker wrote: post #77
dewski wrote: post #28

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Why do you have to pay $200?

BMW wanted to charge me €450 for an update for my navigation CD. That was around 2004 or so. Oh, and around €1000 for an iPod connector. The nerve of these guys.

Ah that makes sense, I thought he meant for a Tesla.
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