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Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by fma »

Swizec wrote: post #15
dabeeeenster wrote: post #9

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Completely agree (I'm also European). When Porsche unveiled the Mission E, they made spec comparisons to the Tesla Model S. But the Mission E is a concept, slated for 2020! VW/Audi, Porsche, BMW and Mercedes need to take a long hard look at themselves. The market is changing way faster than they expected IMO. Just sell a bloody 250 mile range car I can buy for £25k. That's it. It's not hard. Do it, now. Not in 3 year…

If it's not hard then why is nobody doing it? Tesla's Model 3 costs £27k, has a range of 215 miles, and is promised to start delivering late next year. That's the state of the art. Best the world can do. Pretty sure that means it's hard.

You must have missed the bes where General Motors announced last year they will produce a car that will have 200 Mile range , and have it below $30k after federal tax incentives.

And you must have missed the announcement last week when they gave specifics on cost and range. The cost is what they promised, and the range is more than Tesla 3. It will go on sale for the general public at the end of the years. That's you and me, without having to put down a deposit, and wait who knows how long. That probably means those cars are churning out their manufacturing line now.

And you must have missed the news when one of Tesla's biggest supporter, Steve Woz, said he would ditch his Tesla for the Checy Bolt.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106012_apples-woz-likes...

Give credit when credit is due. One of the largest and oldest auto manufacturers in the world turned around a, well received fully electrical vehicle on a short amount of time. It is reasonable priced and has more range than Tesla's Model 3.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106012_apples-woz-likes...

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by steejk »

reacweb wrote: post #24
Maarten88 wrote: post #16

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Agree. I think an underestimated advantage Tesla has over the traditional car makers is their software process. Tesla just released version 8, and rolled it out to all their customers. Traditional manufacturers must recall cars to fix a software problem, and charge customers for software upgrades. I guess it's hard for traditional car manufacturers to offer an integrated experience like that, you need to design a car…

Yes. All the stories I ear about software developed by traditional car makers confirm your point. Traditional car makers produce very bad software and have very bad organisation for software development.

To a certain extent, this comes from historically creating safety-critical software which is an entirely different process compared to what is done for web apps etc. I don't think Tesla are as robust with their development processes, but they are able to make up for it with over-the-air updates.

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by steejk »

zyx321 wrote: post #30
0xFFC wrote: post #29

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I see what you are saying and I partially agree with it. But the point is Audi,BMW,etc they are not first year art student. They have billion dollar R&D budget. Update: And keep in mind Tesla is not product of yesterday. Vibe for electronic car was around I think much longer than Tesla.But big names (Audi,BMW,etc) just ignored it for so long (maybe because of no serious competitor or corruptness -why do they need to…

And they evidently are working on it. But to say "release it now, don't make me wait 5 years" is beyond ignorant.

There's a cultural difference among traditional automakers in which new innovations are withheld from being released as they are not required to maintain a competitive position. This is very different from the attitude in the Valley/startups in which there appears to be a genuine desire to advance innovation of mankind.

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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dharma1 wrote: post #32
0xFFC wrote: post #27

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I anticipate (and hope) Google and other software vendor can step in and fill this void. By the time other car makers going to release any serious competitor to Tesla , Tesla's software will be far advanced than those companies, and the thing about software is its design and implementation takes professional teams with a lot of experience. No matter how effective and advanced your team is, you need time to create a p…

I expect iOS/Android for cars will handle the infotainment part of car software, but not the rest.

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Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by Reason077 »

mistermann wrote: post #40
Maarten88 wrote: post #16

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Agree. I think an underestimated advantage Tesla has over the traditional car makers is their software process. Tesla just released version 8, and rolled it out to all their customers. Traditional manufacturers must recall cars to fix a software problem, and charge customers for software upgrades. I guess it's hard for traditional car manufacturers to offer an integrated experience like that, you need to design a car…

Does every car have an LTE connection? Do you have to buy a sim from your local provider or how does that work?

Every recent Tesla has a built-in LTE connection. (I think some of the earlier models were 3G only)

You don't need to buy your own SIM - it comes with its own international roaming SIM, with free data for 8 years.

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by vinay427 »

fma wrote: post #37
valuegram wrote: post #26

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True. I have a Chevy volt, which I love. The check engine light came on while under powertrain warranty. It took them 5 days to upgrade the software to fix the problem, and they charged me for it since "software isn't part of the drivetrain."

GM is a very early adopter of the connect car, with their On Stsr technology. Your Chevy Volt should have it and if it's a newer model probably LTE. I would guess that there's some contractual or legal obligation that says GM cannot do work on your car. The dealers must do the work, and then get reimbursed by GM. There's antiquated laws hat dictate manufacturer and dealer relationship, the most famous one being a man…

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the original rationale behind requiring cars to be sold through dealers was to regulate the market and create competition among different dealers. Without that requirement, manufacturers could easily undercut dealers due to lower overhead. I'm not really sure what the point of car dealers is, but they have somehow found a way to prove themselves "necessary" to some lawmakers in some states.

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by vinay427 »

steejk wrote: post #43
zyx321 wrote: post #30

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And they evidently are working on it. But to say "release it now, don't make me wait 5 years" is beyond ignorant.

There's a cultural difference among traditional automakers in which new innovations are withheld from being released as they are not required to maintain a competitive position. This is very different from the attitude in the Valley/startups in which there appears to be a genuine desire to advance innovation of mankind.

As someone who has followed the car industry closely for many years, I disagree. Most automakers have been competing to survive on many dimensions throughout their life. It's just that Tesla has added more dimensions to the mix that automakers didn't prepare for, and playing catch-up takes time with such a complex product.

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by kangman »

Brakenshire wrote: post #39
denzil_correa wrote: post #25

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How do these electric cars compare against Tesla?

The i3 appears to be a really well designed car. It costs about $7000 more than the model 3, but it already exists. And they've just increased the battery capacity 50%, so the nominal range is 200 miles, or 275 with the range extender. I just read BMW think they can double that by 2020. Tesla certainly has at least some competition.

Not a fan of the design though. I'm sure it's functional but to my eyes it looks more frankencar than daily driver.

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by rottyguy »

barpet wrote: post #2

I am a european and getting pissed off by these cocky austrians and germans. They are so full of themselves and keep trash talking about Tesla for so long. Yet they cannot deliver. Tesla does. Period. Also it's not only about technical superiority but experience as well. Tesla excels here.

Their exit strategy is probably much like Jet so you can't really blame them.

Re: Kreisel Electric takes on Tesla

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Post by nradov »

Brakenshire wrote: post #39
denzil_correa wrote: post #25

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How do these electric cars compare against Tesla?

The i3 appears to be a really well designed car. It costs about $7000 more than the model 3, but it already exists. And they've just increased the battery capacity 50%, so the nominal range is 200 miles, or 275 with the range extender. I just read BMW think they can double that by 2020. Tesla certainly has at least some competition.

No, for the latest i3 BMW only claims a range of 114 miles. https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/article/detail/T0259560EN...
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