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Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably there are a ton of beta testers that put a 100,000 or so miles running this actively in a wide array of road driving scenarios before they roll this out to customers as well. Under beta testing scenarios, a single driver should be, even with time for charging, be able to do about 250 miles/day of driving - figure 10,000 miles/month. So, to get 100K of real-world road experience, would only take 10 drivers/…

Tesla is accumulating ~1 million miles of data every 10 hours fleet-wide [1]. With their environment, they could presumably beta test across the entire fleet, as the changes are inert and only data is sent back as to what the vehicle would've done (compared to what it actually did). [1] http://qz.com/694520/tesla-has-780-million-miles-of-driving-...

Understood they do inert testing with their existing fleet. I'm talking about real, rubber hits the road, vehicles actively running the firmware. I have to believe that prior to rolling out firmware on the fleet, Tesla rolls it out to be actively run on some set of beta testing vehicles - perhaps actively run by Tesla Employees driving a variety of real-world road conditions.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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> Cabin Overheat Protection I hope that besides cooling the car it includes a feature that pulls down some signs in the windows that says "no really the A/C is on and my kid/dog is fine, don't break the glass". I mean I'm kinda joking here but not really. This has been a problem for Prius owners for a long time (they can have a/c on manually when the car is off)

I assume you are talking about the solar roof option of the 3rd gen Prius models. It's not quite the same, as it just powers a ventilation fan to bring (hopefully) cooler air into the cabin - it doesn't run the AC.

If you park in the sun it's still going to be hot in the car, but it's not as uncomfortable when you first open it - I still wouldn't leave myself or a dog locked inside without the windows open.

You can however leave the ignition on, with the AC on, and the engine will kick in every 10 minutes or so - however that's effectively the same as leaving you keys in the car, if you break in you can just drive away.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is accumulating ~1 million miles of data every 10 hours fleet-wide [1]. With their environment, they could presumably beta test across the entire fleet, as the changes are inert and only data is sent back as to what the vehicle would've done (compared to what it actually did). [1] http://qz.com/694520/tesla-has-780-million-miles-of-driving-...

Understood they do inert testing with their existing fleet. I'm talking about real, rubber hits the road, vehicles actively running the firmware. I have to believe that prior to rolling out firmware on the fleet, Tesla rolls it out to be actively run on some set of beta testing vehicles - perhaps actively run by Tesla Employees driving a variety of real-world road conditions.

Correct, but you need to sign an NDA to run (or rather, for your vehicle's VIN to be whitelisted for pre-release firmware bundle retrievals) a non-GA release.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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I wonder if hackers will have to be 6 instead of 12 miles away to take control of it now.

I've added a link in case the above comment makes no sense: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/20/tesla-mod... The vulnerability has been "patched", but I cannot help but be peeved at any private automobile that can be remotely controlled. Of course, it isn't only Teslas: https://www.wired.com/2016/03/fbi-warns-car-hacking-real-ris...

I think it's more likely downvoted for the same reason the hack didn't appear on the HN home page, while hacks on Chryslers or the VW emissions scandal do, repeatedly: don't criticise Tesla.

Even when they apparently employ idiots who hook the web browser up to the brakes.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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> Cabin Overheat Protection I hope that besides cooling the car it includes a feature that pulls down some signs in the windows that says "no really the A/C is on and my kid/dog is fine, don't break the glass". I mean I'm kinda joking here but not really. This has been a problem for Prius owners for a long time (they can have a/c on manually when the car is off)

I assume you are talking about the solar roof option of the 3rd gen Prius models. It's not quite the same, as it just powers a ventilation fan to bring (hopefully) cooler air into the cabin - it doesn't run the AC. If you park in the sun it's still going to be hot in the car, but it's not as uncomfortable when you first open it - I still wouldn't leave myself or a dog locked inside without the windows open. You can h…

No. All the Praises let you run the A/C whether you were moving or not. Since the "engine" is always on, as long as the key is nearby and the on button is pressed you can run the A/C.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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> Cabin Overheat Protection I hope that besides cooling the car it includes a feature that pulls down some signs in the windows that says "no really the A/C is on and my kid/dog is fine, don't break the glass". I mean I'm kinda joking here but not really. This has been a problem for Prius owners for a long time (they can have a/c on manually when the car is off)

Definitely. The fact the some states allow people to break the glass on cars to rescue overheating animals under certain circumstances is good. The fact that people know that they are allowed to do this under some circumstances, but not all the requirements that make it okay is not good. I once left my dog in my car while I walked 150 feet across a single level parking lot into a building, spent 90 seconds inside, an…

For every rational person, there's an emotional, narrow minded, "Everyone is bad!", over reactive person. Especially in certain counties. Counties where people have too much time on their hands; like Marin County.

O.k. What's up with the vitriol dude?

Over the years I have owned some large breed dogs. A Bull Mastiff, and two rescued pit bull/American bull dog mixes. They were all over 140 lbs. All three dogs wanted nothing to do with anything within 8 feet of my truck.

I had them at different points in my life. The pit bull mixes went to dog obedience school, but didn't do well. I was talked into putting one on Proxax for behavioral problems. Hell, at one point we were both on the same SSRI.

The problem with my dogs is they were very territorial. I tried to socialize the pit bull mixes, but by the time the the vaccines had time to build up an immunity; it was just to late for socialization, or obedience school success. They were too set in their ways, and didn't want to be around other dogs, or certain people without my presence. They just didn't like anyone near my truck, or within 8 feet of it.

I didn't like to leave my dogs in their backyard, so I would take them out on the weekends, and after work. Sue me!

I would sometimes do errands with them. I would park my truck, with a Leer shell, filled with bowls of water, and two windows open, with custom grating on the sliding Windows, under a tree, or a remote area with shade. I was never gone more than 20 minutes.

They were never in danger of overheating. The "the over-reactors" always seemed to assume the worse. This one lady accused me of going to work, and leaving my dogs in the truck all day. Another accused me of leaving my dogs in a hot vechicle, and was in the process of calling the Humane Society, as I took off.

It only happened two times I know of, but it hurt. Those dogs were never in any danger. I treated those dogs like babies.

After everything I just wrote, I'm still glad they have that law about breaking windows.

I can guarantee this, if anyone decided to break the plexiglass widows on my Leer shell, or cut the wire over the windows; that "know-it-all" would not be alive. My dogs would have tore them to pieces.

I think the moral of the story is don't assume. Don't stereotype. Don't always assume the worse.

(I am now I a bad mood, and miss my dogs. They all lived to old age, but passed. I miss them more than my father. Now--that's not right? You didn't have my father. Good night people.)

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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> Cabin Overheat Protection I hope that besides cooling the car it includes a feature that pulls down some signs in the windows that says "no really the A/C is on and my kid/dog is fine, don't break the glass". I mean I'm kinda joking here but not really. This has been a problem for Prius owners for a long time (they can have a/c on manually when the car is off)

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Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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So a touchscreen meant you lose tactile feedback. We knew that already. But now all the buttons move around too?

It reminds me of one of the points from this old yet almost prescient joke: http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/pnw/microsoftjoke.htm 9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.

>6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" warning light.

Oh, how we laughed.

Re: Tesla Software Update 8.0

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> Cabin Overheat Protection I hope that besides cooling the car it includes a feature that pulls down some signs in the windows that says "no really the A/C is on and my kid/dog is fine, don't break the glass". I mean I'm kinda joking here but not really. This has been a problem for Prius owners for a long time (they can have a/c on manually when the car is off)

Definitely. The fact the some states allow people to break the glass on cars to rescue overheating animals under certain circumstances is good. The fact that people know that they are allowed to do this under some circumstances, but not all the requirements that make it okay is not good. I once left my dog in my car while I walked 150 feet across a single level parking lot into a building, spent 90 seconds inside, an…

I never leave my small kids in the car to enter a building. Even if I just plan to spend only a couple seconds inside the building, things could somehow go bad (some kind of emergency), and then nobody knows about the kids. Especially in hot weather. Apart from the potential of a traumatizing situation for children, even a stationary AC might fail.

Yes, that's all not so likely, but why take any chances?

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