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Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems

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Re: Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems

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> Literally nothing about this sentence is correct. Sorry, but literally everything about it is correct. What a great adjective. > Support reps know nothing, and nameless support reps that throw out statements like that with no explanation Errrrr, no. Support reps do not throw out incredible specific, crystal clear and precise statements like that unless they're true. This doesn't come out of nowhere. >I can't believ…

> "Support reps do not throw out incredible specific, crystal clear and precise statements like that unless they're true." What alternative reality do you live in? A short unsubstantiated single sentence-fragment from an unnamed, untitled support employee on a random fucking forum is not a "precise statement". > "An extremely clear statements has been made that is not open to misinterpretation." So let me get this st…

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Re: Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems

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>If there is a point to this word salad, I am not parsing it. It seems off topic? The point I took from this is that people who believe they're fighting for freedom in and through software only care about freedom for rich (in a global measure) people who live in developed nations and are happy to ignore the much larger quantity of people worldwide who live under far more restrictive and harsh circumstances.

That's pretty much exactly it. Thanks for that.

re: the interpretation

That's a very presumptuous statement.

Re: Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems

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> The disturbing level of contempt is almost the sole property of the "Linux == Freedom" crowd. That's patently incorrect and you know it. FYI: You're showing that kind of contempt right now. My point isn't even related strongly to Free Software; it was an observation that a lot of people don't like early warning systems, which is bad for security . Shooting the messenger when they bring a warning of a possible threa…

Some of us believe its a bad idea to sacrifice your principles... You don't know me friend. That's not the kind of thing that I would ever say to someone lightly. Your last line reads like some manifesto from the 90's. it's naïve in the extreme. The future will be controlled with force. Just like the past. How do you think the materials that make the computers are mined, extracted, and turned into the parts that make…

> That's not the kind of thing that I would ever say to someone lightly

That's your claim, not mine.

> Jesus Christ, that's so pathetic that I'm having a hard time thinking that you aren't trolling.

Ok, I'm done with you. You're either trolling or simply a naive apologist. Either way, I have better uses for my time.

Re: Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems

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There has been a disturbing level of contempt for the people that were concerned about the future of Free Software. There has been a major shift towards more locked down platforms for years ever since iOS was accepted by the developer community. With Microsoft locking down Secure Boot on ARM and requiring it for Windows 10, it is prudent to be extra vigilant about anything strange that happens in the boot process. Th…

>There has been a disturbing level of contempt for the people that were concerned about the future of Free Software.

Rather few software professionals care much one way or the other about the idea of Free Software, you know. It's really just a source of free-as-in-beer libraries & programs.

>"...it is prudent to be extra vigilant about anything strange that happens in the boot process."

As I pointed out in the previous thread, modern x86 PC architecture is defined by Microsoft's "Windows Hardware Compatibility Program" requirements[0]; it is not and never was an open standard. Much like Apple or Google, if Microsoft chooses to close their boot process, there's not much that anyone else has a right to say about it.

[0] https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/windows/hardware/dn922588...

Re: Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems

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post #253

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Some of us believe its a bad idea to sacrifice your principles... You don't know me friend. That's not the kind of thing that I would ever say to someone lightly. Your last line reads like some manifesto from the 90's. it's naïve in the extreme. The future will be controlled with force. Just like the past. How do you think the materials that make the computers are mined, extracted, and turned into the parts that make…

> That's not the kind of thing that I would ever say to someone lightly That's your claim, not mine. > Jesus Christ, that's so pathetic that I'm having a hard time thinking that you aren't trolling. Ok, I'm done with you. You're either trolling or simply a naive apologist. Either way, I have better uses for my time.

Riddle me this Morpheus...in your dystopian cypherpunk future, how are the employees of Foxconn or the miners of rare earth minerals in Africa going to compute their way out of their conditions?

Naïve apologist? I'm telling you that your efforts on "protecting freedom" are a way for you to feel superior about yourself while still participating in the same system as the rest of us. You put nothing on the line, and arguing with people who disagree isn't a sacrifice. (It's a privilege.) Believing this woo-woo is a trick that you play ON YOUR SELF to feel like you have some measure of influence on things that you know...and you do know, deep down...that you don't and this is all bullshit. VIM or EMACS don't make anyone actually more free. It's so fucking insulting that you think by being a shrill know-it-all on a message board that you are personally involved in the struggle for human freedom...AND I'M NAIVE?

Re: Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems

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It would be awesome if you knew what you were talking about ;-).

We're all just waiting for you to enlighten us. Go ahead, show us what you've got :-)

There's actually some interesting OSS politics at hand (it appears that this new ultrabook BIOS may have been "copied" over from the Lenovo server BIOS):

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/2352338

Re: Microsoft aren't forcing Lenovo to block free operating systems

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There is no real reason to write code that goes out of its way to prevent you from switching into AHCI mode even if you know what you're doing (like in EFI shell). Hiding the option from BIOS menu is absolutely enough to "ensure Intel specific drivers are used for power management purposes". It would be annoying, but workaroundable. There is no real reason for anything more, aside of being able to get months of compl…

> Hiding the option from BIOS menu is absolutely enough to "ensure Intel specific drivers are used for power management purposes". It absolutely is not enough, because I can come up with a single contrary case. If this change was made in a BIOS update, simply hiding the option would leave some users stuck in the "wrong" setting forever. So one might write some code to flip it back at the same time. This is the simple…

The change wasn't made in BIOS update, only newer physical models had this change applied and they shipped right away being blocked.

Aside of that, this couldn't even be a change made in BIOS update, because every OS installed earlier, including preinstalled Windows, would stop booting without being provided with Intel driver.

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