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What does a kilowatt hour look like?

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Re: What does a kilowatt hour look like?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a reference point, a Tesla 85D uses 290 watt-hours to go one EPA rated mile. So 1 kWh takes you 3.448 miles.

> one EPA rated mile Are EPA miles not the same as normal miles?

What's a "normal mile" regarding energy consumption?

There is a series of standardized driving profiles that is averaged to get a comparable, somewhat realistic value.

Re: What does a kilowatt hour look like?

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Given how popular (and damn near impossible to discern) unsafe and unprotected lithium-ion batteries are, the idea of making a homegrown power wall terrifies me in ways I can't even begin to contemplate. An 18650 battery, if combusted, can produce hydrofluoric acid with just water vapor in the air (or the water in your lungs) if they use lithium hexafluorophosphate as the electrolyte. Hydrofluoric acid can and will c…

I came here to say just that. This is a horrible idea and definitely not something you should do.

Just use sealed AGM batteries, don't burn your house down or deal with spilling chemicals everywhere.

Even just drawing in parallel from batteries like this is a fire hazard. Charging is an out of your mind goal.

Re: What does a kilowatt hour look like?

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post #19

1 Wh is about 0.9 kilocalories. So 1kWh is about 100g of butter. The energy expenditure of a human in one day is about 2kWh. 1kWh is about the energy needed to heat 10L of water from 0 deg celsius to 100 deg celsius.

It actually takes some extra energy to move from ice to water, and also some extra energy from water to steam, so your numbers only work out if you are strictly inside the 0-100C range.

It's interesting to realize thought that we programmers are code producing machines that run on roughly 2kWh per day. If we produce 100 lines of code in a day, that's 20Wh per LOC. Not bad, actually.

Re: What does a kilowatt hour look like?

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post #10

1kWh as gasoline is about 1/10 liter. Though one will not get anywhere near that much high-quality electric energy with consumer/small-scale methods.

1kWh as aluminium is about 66g (assuming 15kWh per kilo manufacturing input) or about 4 drink cans.

Wow so I could gather up a bunch of cans and heat my house.

Re: What does a kilowatt hour look like?

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Given how popular (and damn near impossible to discern) unsafe and unprotected lithium-ion batteries are, the idea of making a homegrown power wall terrifies me in ways I can't even begin to contemplate. An 18650 battery, if combusted, can produce hydrofluoric acid with just water vapor in the air (or the water in your lungs) if they use lithium hexafluorophosphate as the electrolyte. Hydrofluoric acid can and will c…

I came here to say just that. This is a horrible idea and definitely not something you should do. Just use sealed AGM batteries, don't burn your house down or deal with spilling chemicals everywhere. Even just drawing in parallel from batteries like this is a fire hazard. Charging is an out of your mind goal.

Wow, as someone uneducated about anything related to electricity and power, seeing the picture in the article really made me want to emulate the setup. Not anymore.

Re: What does a kilowatt hour look like?

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joules are tiny it takes 3.6 million Joules = 1kWh

SI prefixes FTW. 1kWh = 3.6 MJ

That has the opposite problem a 3.6 TJ per hour powerplant = 1 GW. Aka 1billion joules per second * 1 hour / 1 hour.

Might as well just say 1 billion joules per second aka 1 GW then tack on or remove an hour if needed.

Re: What does a kilowatt hour look like?

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Given how popular (and damn near impossible to discern) unsafe and unprotected lithium-ion batteries are, the idea of making a homegrown power wall terrifies me in ways I can't even begin to contemplate. An 18650 battery, if combusted, can produce hydrofluoric acid with just water vapor in the air (or the water in your lungs) if they use lithium hexafluorophosphate as the electrolyte. Hydrofluoric acid can and will c…

It's pretty safe so long as you use a battery controller with appropriate monitoring to prevent overcharging.

Recycled 18650 cells that have worked fine in laptops for years are very unlikely to suddenly explode on you for no reason. I'd be more worried about the mystery Chinese ones you can get new on the web!

Here's some Materials Science students at Oxford who built packs using recycled laptop cells. They used controller software that monitors the health of each individual cell:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RW1Xugey8j0

(It's towards the end of the vid)

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