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Re: OS X-KVM: Running Mac OS X El Capitan on KVM and QEMU

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Post by gakada »

cm3 wrote: post #24
josteink wrote: post #21

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> How can a software developer justify stealing software Oh come on. Running a legally obtained OSX installation on hardware you own is hardly stealing. I don't see why OSX "fanboys" constantly bring up this tiresome meme about OSX being this near "holy" OS which cannot run on anything but this similarly holy Apple hardware. It's a generic consumer OS designed to work on what is mostly run of the mill X86 hardware. G…

My reply is to this Who actually takes software licenses seriously in their own home? If this doesn't imply one's okay with stealing, then I take my comment back. Because you seem to assume I use a mac, I must confess to not owning one and therefore not using macos.

Think you're reading too much into it. Most software license agreements have silly rules and restrictions that nobody takes any notice of - at home. Businesses have to be more careful.

Re: OS X-KVM: Running Mac OS X El Capitan on KVM and QEMU

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Post by FreakyT »

manarth wrote: post #46
FreakyT wrote: post #22

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It's not "stealing" if you paid for a license. By your logic, jailbreaking an iPhone would constitute theft.

It's more akin to installing iOS on a Nexus phone.

Which, in turn, would be a pretty impressive achievement, and certainly worthy of an HN story.

Re: OS X-KVM: Running Mac OS X El Capitan on KVM and QEMU

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Post by FreakyT »

n_yuichi wrote: post #60
cm3 wrote: post #19

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I write software for free and as a living, so I surely take it seriously. How can a software developer justify stealing software, unless they're trapped in a poor or technologically restricted situation (Cuba)? EDIT: There's some confusion as to what I replied to: My reply is to this Who actually takes software licenses seriously in their own home? If this doesn't imply one's okay with stealing, then I take my commen…

Agreed. I am surprised at how many people on HN show negative attitude toward compliancy with the EULA. I thought HNers had a respect for software license.

I would hope that most people on HN are knowledgeable enough to agree with the EFF's take on EULAs -- they are of questionable legality, and "dangerous for consumers and innovators alike"[1].

[1]: https://www.eff.org/wp/dangerous-terms-users-guide-eulas

Re: OS X-KVM: Running Mac OS X El Capitan on KVM and QEMU

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Post by kristofferR »

Stratoscope wrote: post #59
ethanpil wrote: post #11

The OSX license agreement severely limits the practicality of this: http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macOS1012.pdf It only allows you: Section 2B(iii): "to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development…

The part of that EULA section that really gives me trouble is "...that is already running the Apple Software...". I want to run OSX in a VM on my MacBook Pro with Windows as the host OS. I used to do it the other way around, boot into OSX and run Windows in a Parallels VM. These days most of my work is in Windows, especially VR work, so it's more practical to boot into Windows. (And I like Windows better than OSX any…

It's pretty easy to solve that issue by applying a community made fix: http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/files/file/339-unlocker/

Re: OS X-KVM: Running Mac OS X El Capitan on KVM and QEMU

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Post by geofft »

Stratoscope wrote: post #59
ethanpil wrote: post #11

The OSX license agreement severely limits the practicality of this: http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macOS1012.pdf It only allows you: Section 2B(iii): "to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development…

The part of that EULA section that really gives me trouble is "...that is already running the Apple Software...". I want to run OSX in a VM on my MacBook Pro with Windows as the host OS. I used to do it the other way around, boot into OSX and run Windows in a Parallels VM. These days most of my work is in Windows, especially VR work, so it's more practical to boot into Windows. (And I like Windows better than OSX any…

There is a "VMware Unlocker" tool of extremely questionable legality that can enable running OS X as a guest of VMware Player / Workstation on Windows.

Re: OS X-KVM: Running Mac OS X El Capitan on KVM and QEMU

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Post by Symbiote »

karlmdavis wrote: post #17
curried_haskell wrote: post #14

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So...? Don't do this at work. Who actually takes software licenses seriously in their own home?

I do. I mean... seems pretty hypocritical for a coder who's made most of their income from software NOT to.

I'm sure there are plenty of us who've only written open source and/or bespoke software.

Re: OS X-KVM: Running Mac OS X El Capitan on KVM and QEMU

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Post by geofft »

CyberShadow wrote: post #56

This little line, copyrighted by Apple, is what I understand to be the legal protection they have against people running OS X on non-Apple hardware: https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM/blob/476ae8b082088049f2f8c... I would not be surprised if a DMCA takedown will be filed against this repository soon. More information here: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~somlo/OSXKVM/#sec_3_2_1

They could take it out of the repo and imply heavily that people should Google it. It's pretty easy to find on other websites and forum posts.

Re: OS X-KVM: Running Mac OS X El Capitan on KVM and QEMU

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Post by mastax »

newman314 wrote: post #54
xienze wrote: post #51

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Of course. I run ESXi (bare metal hypervisor) with various Windows and Linux VMs running on it. One of the Windows VMs even has my GPU passed through to it and gets near-native gaming performance.

I'm assuming you are using an AMD GPU? The last time I looked, there were significant challenges with getting a Nvidia or iGPU to work.

The issues I know of with GPU passthrough are:

Non-Quadro NVIDIA cards don't want to work in a VM so you need to disguise KVM to get them to work. NVIDIA says this is a bug but I think they just want you to buy quadro cards. [1]

AMD Bonaire and Hawaii architecture cards have issues with resetting in a VM, so you can't let the VM go to sleep or shutdown. Newer (R9 480) or older AMD cards don't have this issue. [2]

[1]: http://vfio.blogspot.com/2014/08/vfiovga-faq.html?m=1 [2]: http://vfio.blogspot.com/2015/04/progress-on-amd-front.html?...

(not my blog)

Re: OS X-KVM: Running Mac OS X El Capitan on KVM and QEMU

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Post by CyberShadow »

kristofferR wrote: post #58
CyberShadow wrote: post #56

This little line, copyrighted by Apple, is what I understand to be the legal protection they have against people running OS X on non-Apple hardware: https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM/blob/476ae8b082088049f2f8c... I would not be surprised if a DMCA takedown will be filed against this repository soon. More information here: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~somlo/OSXKVM/#sec_3_2_1

I doubt that line ("ourhardworkbythesewordsguardedpleasedontsteal") is creative enough to meet the threshold of originality required for something to be protected by copyright. Even if it actually were copyrightable/trademarked it wouldn't be a valid legal strategy to prevent fair-use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_v._Accolade

I wouldn't be so sure. That case predates the DMCA - see also the AACS encryption key controversy.

Re: OS X-KVM: Running Mac OS X El Capitan on KVM and QEMU

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Post by mastax »

aruggirello wrote: post #31
stuaxo wrote: post #9

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Using Vmware, and passthrough for the videocard you can achieve this with Linux as the host and Windows as the guest. Not sure if it's possible with OSX. What we really need are video drivers for OSX, for virtualbox and/or other virtualisation solutons, so OSX as a guest can work really well.

VGA passthrough is also possible with KVM. I wonder if Oracle has any plans to add it to VirtualBox? It seems they have made room for KVM support, so in theory they could. I have seen all OSX versions from Leopard to El Capitan successfully running as a VB guest, but the graphics support has always been bad, since there are no Guest Additions for OSX (BTW this also means no bidirectional clipboard, drag & drop of fil…

There's some support:

https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html#pcipassthrough

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