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Can payments persuade Canadian residents to move away from dying villages?

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Re: Can payments persuade Canadian residents to move away from dying villages?

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Post by ed312 »

jeremiep wrote: post #15
1024core wrote: post #11

What, no Newfie jokes? On a more serious note: there's a tectonic shift going on in the US too, it's just not as stark. Young'uns are moving to the cities enmasse, resulting in skyrocketing rents in places like SF, Seattle. The old American Dream of having a McMansion out in the 'burbs has largely died out. Now people prefer the urban areas.

Every time I hear McMansion now I'm reminded of this recent submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12286724 Great read, but probably off-topic.

Agree its a great read! It is related because it discusses the underlying demand and what drives the "McMansion" living style

Re: Can payments persuade Canadian residents to move away from dying villages?

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Post by jotato »

1024core wrote: post #11

What, no Newfie jokes? On a more serious note: there's a tectonic shift going on in the US too, it's just not as stark. Young'uns are moving to the cities enmasse, resulting in skyrocketing rents in places like SF, Seattle. The old American Dream of having a McMansion out in the 'burbs has largely died out. Now people prefer the urban areas.

From what I see in Seattle, young people are moving in to the city, but middle-aged people are moving out. Just try buying a mean house in the suburbs around here. The competition is crazy.

Sure, the ratio of IN:OUT probably leans toward IN, but I wouldn't say (at least around Seattle) that the desire to live in the bubs has died out.

Re: Can payments persuade Canadian residents to move away from dying villages?

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Post by wccrawford »

burnt1ce wrote: post #6

I actually live in Toronto and I agree real estate here is expensive. What I don't get is WAY more expensive in places like London, Hong Kong, New York and San Francisco but I don't hear as many complaints or alarms going off in those areas. Why? Is this just me being oblivious?

When I visited New York with some people who had friends there, I heard multiple times each day how expensive it was. They talk about it plenty amongst themselves.

And the only people I've heard about Toronto expenses from are my relatives living there, and a few people on the internet.

Whenever I heard about jobs in the big cities, I always hear someone remind people that living expenses in general are higher there, and to be careful of the salaries and what they're really worth.

Re: Can payments persuade Canadian residents to move away from dying villages?

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Post by wvenable »

1024core wrote: post #11

What, no Newfie jokes? On a more serious note: there's a tectonic shift going on in the US too, it's just not as stark. Young'uns are moving to the cities enmasse, resulting in skyrocketing rents in places like SF, Seattle. The old American Dream of having a McMansion out in the 'burbs has largely died out. Now people prefer the urban areas.

I don't know if they prefer urban areas but you have to go where the jobs are. It still sort of sucks that, as a developer, I can literally work remotely anywhere but in reality I have a downtown job and try to live less than an hour commute away.

Re: Can payments persuade Canadian residents to move away from dying villages?

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Post by Unman »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #3

One of my new favorite shows on Vice actually did a show about how abandoned Newfoundland is. They pointed out the over fishing of the area then the government banned fishing outright which started the collapse. https://video.vice.com/en_ca/video/Newfoundland-Coast/57bddb...

The way your (brief) sentence is written it sounds as though the government is given a good deal of credit for imposing the moratorium, whereas there's a good deal of evidence to suggest that they consistenly mis-managed it. It looks as though a combination of poor ecological models, concentration on simple resource production statistics, consulting only with large capital holders instead of small, local stakeholders led to this avoidable collapse.

Over-fishing in the maritimes was mostly as a result of "free-trade" liberalisation including transferable/sellable fishing licenses which led to a decrease in small, family operations and an increase in massive, mortgaged industrial fishing operations.

The small family business typically engaged in long-lining (single lines with multiple hooks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longline_fishing ) which did not require great capitalization/debt. These business became non-viable as larger operations flooded the market with fish caught by dragging -- a method which leads to the destruction of the seabed ecosystems which in turn decreases the catchable population.

This is one of the good references on the topic, pretty readable (Dean Bavington, _Managed Annihilation_, 2010 UBC Press): http://www.ubcpress.ca/books/pdf/chapters/2010/ManagedAnnihi...

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Post by balabaster »

1024core wrote: post #11

What, no Newfie jokes? On a more serious note: there's a tectonic shift going on in the US too, it's just not as stark. Young'uns are moving to the cities enmasse, resulting in skyrocketing rents in places like SF, Seattle. The old American Dream of having a McMansion out in the 'burbs has largely died out. Now people prefer the urban areas.

It's funny, as a young'un I felt the draw to the city and have worked in some of the greatest cities in the world. Now I'm still not old, but I find myself drawn to places like this. I feel like they could turn their slump into a booming tourism trade. There's nothing like the ocean and the large majority of people only ever get to see it on vacation. I grew up next to the ocean and even in a city where we have easy access to the great lakes, it's not the same. With a remote-work job and the ability to provide your own food year round, it could be a beautiful place to live, and could even thrive on tourism during peak season meaning you're not so reliant on remote-work in the off-season.

Re: Can payments persuade Canadian residents to move away from dying villages?

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Post by [deleted] »

contingencies wrote: post #12
throw20160915 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because Toronto is in a state of transition. No one complains about NY, London, HK real-estate because it's already understood to be expensive in the mainstream. But Toronto real-estate being expensive is relatively new such that you have people who grew up in Toronto not being able to afford it in adulthood. People are slowly realizing that TO is now just another global city out of reach to the middle class unl…

It's so cold there, who needs a backyard? You can only use it 2 weeks a year, and you'd be better off sailing.

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Re: Can payments persuade Canadian residents to move away from dying villages?

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Post by DanBC »

burnt1ce wrote: post #6

I actually live in Toronto and I agree real estate here is expensive. What I don't get is WAY more expensive in places like London, Hong Kong, New York and San Francisco but I don't hear as many complaints or alarms going off in those areas. Why? Is this just me being oblivious?

There's been a lot of complaining about house prices in London for very many years.

Those articles tend to stay in the UK though.

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Post by alanctgardner3 »

sidek wrote: post #17
contingencies wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so cold there, who needs a backyard? You can only use it 2 weeks a year, and you'd be better off sailing.

Honestly, as a Canadian, this is what I find so dumb about our urban planning. People demand adequate house spacing, backyard space, etc... Only for it to be usable for 4 months of the year. Meanwhile, all that dead space makes our cities unwalkable in the other 8 months. I guess people are just so used to having to drive everywhere that they don't see how else it could be.

Where do you live in Canada? In southern ontario (where Toronto and most of the people are) there's no snow for 8 months out of the year. And backyards/sidewalks are really only impeded for maybe 2 months (if you're able-bodied). Meanwhile you can totally have a pool, a vegetable garden, a place for your kids to play, etc. the rest of the time.

I recently moved from an apartment to a house downtown with a tiny backyard, and it's a huge improvement. We didn't really use it in February/March. But the rest of the time it's awesome.

Re: Can payments persuade Canadian residents to move away from dying villages?

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Post by trapperkeeper79 »

burnt1ce wrote: post #6

I actually live in Toronto and I agree real estate here is expensive. What I don't get is WAY more expensive in places like London, Hong Kong, New York and San Francisco but I don't hear as many complaints or alarms going off in those areas. Why? Is this just me being oblivious?

I think it has to do with local incomes and land area. The GTA is massive when considering land area. Incomes don't compare to places like SF and NY. Although I might be wrong on the income front. A friend of mine remarked that lawyers and bankers in TO may be making 300K+. So maybe I'm wrong about local incomes being depressed.
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