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Re: I Used to Be a Human Being

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But with your junk food analogy, there are still alternatives and it's up to you to decide how you live your life.

Apologies if I'm using the wrong terms, but this comes off as a kind of myopic, libertarian view. Do you have children? I have 4. A lot of this is easier to understand by watching them. Yes, I know it's my job to teach them how to make good choices. But why do devices suck them in so easily if I don't direct or enforce their behavior? Of course there are alternatives to junk food. But am I completely, 100% in control…

> It's called "advertising" and it wouldn't keep growing if it didn't work.

For the record, it doesn't. Advertising is a fairly consistent percentage of GDP over decades.

More importantly, "advertising" doesn't automatically make products addicting. Literally every industry does advertising, that doesn't mean people are "addicted" to insurance.

For the record, I agree that junk food is addicting. It's probably the addiction I'm most prone too. But that's not because of advertising, it's because the products themselves are addicting.

In fact, by far the biggest addiction in my life is bread from a local bakery. I don't blame advertising (they hardly do any) and I don't even blame "modern food" (this is whole wheat, unrefined bread). I simply acknowledge that I love bread, it tastes great, and if I'm feeling depressed then I overeat it. My bread consumption depends much more on my internal mood and habits than anything "industry" does.

Likewise, technology is not addicting because it's evil. It's addicting because it's good and pleasurable, and if you don't have a solid hold on your mental health it's easy to fill the void with pleasurable products, whether they be bread, Facebook, or alcohol. The solution isn't to ban/quit the product, it's to address that hole in your life.

Re: I Used to Be a Human Being

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The number one thing I've found to be effective in combatting this is sleep. I have to get 8 hours of uninterrupted, unmedicated sleep. 9 hours is even better. And I have to do it for a few nights in a row. If I do anything at all that interferes with the quality of my sleep, I'm screwed, and The Stream will suck me in. Conversely, things that increase the quality of my sleep -- exercise, diet, not using gadgets afte…

I'll second this, but note that I wasn't getting the ~8 hours of truly restful sleep until I rejuvenated my exercise routine. Not to hijack this comment and turn it into a thread from /r/Fitness, but I simply couldn't turn off "the Stream" (a helpful metaphor, thank you) without actually going to bed tired.

My knees are shot now, so running isn't an option. But if you're able I highly recommend swimming.

Re: I Used to Be a Human Being

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One suggestion for people who ask if there is a better way than cutting yourself off from social networks:

Try to practice "memory walk meditation" - I made up the word to combine two things I have learnt about, essentially to combat distraction. (And I have been generally successful - but I also don't need it a whole lot)

Next time you read a book, or just anything you feel would be good to remember - take the key points and associate them with objects in the room that you spend the most time in, or where you usually sit/stand when you interact on the social network. If you are completely unfamiliar with the field of memory training, I recommend picking up some old copy of any book written by Harry Lorayne to learn how people usually commit things to memory when doing memory training. (For example, creating outrageous and vivid images is key to retrieval. Learning the major system will help memorize arbitrary numbers)

The actual memory walk meditation consists of traversing those objects first physically, then eventually mentally in a certain order - as you approach the object, use the image to retrieve the concept/idea associated with it. Hopefully you can identify at least 10 or so objects in your room.

After a while, it becomes a bit (too) easy. Read another book, do it for something else you wish to learn.

The point is, it is easier to move away from a bad habit like too much FB by building something else that you look forward to than using denial.

A very nice advantage of this technique is that you can decide, for example, that you will at least go around the room (mentally) once before logging in to the social network, and increase it to two, three etc. So you can slowly build up your resistance, so to speak. A second advantage is that since the objects are usually right in front of your eyes, it gives you triggers all over the environment to help you build the habit.

Re: I Used to Be a Human Being

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Apologies if I'm using the wrong terms, but this comes off as a kind of myopic, libertarian view. Do you have children? I have 4. A lot of this is easier to understand by watching them. Yes, I know it's my job to teach them how to make good choices. But why do devices suck them in so easily if I don't direct or enforce their behavior? Of course there are alternatives to junk food. But am I completely, 100% in control…

> But why do devices suck them in so easily if I don't direct or enforce their behavior? Advertising had nothing to do with my addiction to gaming. When I was a kid I played games nonstop on atari before I got an apple ][. Then I played games on that until I got a nintendo, then a PC clone, then a sega genesis, then PS2, and then at some point I had to cut myself off. Cold turkey. I would honestly play the dumbest si…

I understand what you're saying and I do do those things with my children. My point was more that children provide a more pronounced example of how our decision to use something is influenced by both advertising and the design of the thing (be it video games, food, or a juicy gossip article). Those decisions can then turn into addiction.

Correct, young children don't understand moderation. But I posit that many adults don't either. And even when they do, those things mentioned above wage war against our desire to moderate.

Push notifications. A/B testing. Email notifications. Constant tweaks to the Facebook news feed algorithm. Those things aren't for children. Why do you think they exist? Have you ever read up on how BuzzFeed tests and changes article headlines in order to maximize clicks, time on page, and sharing? [0] It's quite fascinating. Do you think BuzzFeed wants you to use their site in moderation?

[0] https://www.wired.com/2014/12/new-media-2/

Re: I Used to Be a Human Being

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apologies if I'm using the wrong terms, but this comes off as a kind of myopic, libertarian view. Do you have children? I have 4. A lot of this is easier to understand by watching them. Yes, I know it's my job to teach them how to make good choices. But why do devices suck them in so easily if I don't direct or enforce their behavior? Of course there are alternatives to junk food. But am I completely, 100% in control…

> It's called "advertising" and it wouldn't keep growing if it didn't work. For the record, it doesn't. Advertising is a fairly consistent percentage of GDP over decades. More importantly, "advertising" doesn't automatically make products addicting. Literally every industry does advertising, that doesn't mean people are "addicted" to insurance. For the record, I agree that junk food is addicting. It's probably the ad…

Sounds like you need to get your own bread making machine to guarantee a fresh supply of always fresh bread, with the best smells and your own continually varying input into the recipe. Have half a dozen varieties of flour at home, mixing as per the mood takes you and enjoy such challenges as the perfect wholemeal loaf.

After a while doing your own breadmaking you will find the 'fresh' bread at the bakers to taste relatively stale and packed full of additives.

However, doing your own bread will take you away from interacting with the baker and his lovely assistants making their venture less profitable. If everyone baked their own bread then the bakery would have no customers. Maybe it is that 'please', 'thank-you' and smile that you get to experience at the bakers that is as much behind your love of bread as the bread itself.

Re: I Used to Be a Human Being

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apologies if I'm using the wrong terms, but this comes off as a kind of myopic, libertarian view. Do you have children? I have 4. A lot of this is easier to understand by watching them. Yes, I know it's my job to teach them how to make good choices. But why do devices suck them in so easily if I don't direct or enforce their behavior? Of course there are alternatives to junk food. But am I completely, 100% in control…

> It's called "advertising" and it wouldn't keep growing if it didn't work. For the record, it doesn't. Advertising is a fairly consistent percentage of GDP over decades. More importantly, "advertising" doesn't automatically make products addicting. Literally every industry does advertising, that doesn't mean people are "addicted" to insurance. For the record, I agree that junk food is addicting. It's probably the ad…

Sorry if I wasn't clear earlier but, as I mentioned in another reply, I included advertising as only one part of the equation. The other part, as you said, is the design/contents of the thing itself.

I don't think technology is evil. Nor do I think it should be banned. But I do think it is designed to maximize usage–even if it's to the detriment of the user or his/her friends & family.

Also, I would be careful about ascribing all technology addiction to mental health issues. I think that's a little unfair.

Re: I Used to Be a Human Being

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Personal. Work email is there for the calendar sync (very useful), but I feel little compulsion to check it. For a while I completely removed email from my phone, but that was a pain when I legitimately needed, for example, an RMA number while standing in the post office. You're right, rules plus zero notifications would probably work well. Or, perhaps enable notifications and set it to check only once a day.

You're actually lucky that email's your poison. It's the most aync mode out there, especially if people adjust to not receiving an immediate response. I have friends that have trained me not to expect an immediate response to texts so I know it's possible to use text more async for everything that's not urgent. If not responding immediately is your default, it's not a break from your normal behavior to delay. I'd lik…

My son, like all 4 year olds I think, are fully human, in tune with the moment, developing ego but still open.

I picked my son up from school and we were playing, then I reached for my phone, noticing the shift in his facial expression from happy to subtle concern and disappointment. He knows that device creates distance in real life.

Then we discussed some topic that I decided could be better handled by Youtube. As soon as the video started he got sucked in and I let him watch a couple vides then had to pull him off the thing, which he promptly forgot about as that was the past.

I'm sure the reason I noticed is this thread got me thinking. But beyond that it occurred to me that there should be some sort of code. Other people might have a different code but I hope to god we all could at least share item number 1. I think that prison is too soft a hell for someone who kills another human because they were texting or any other distraction. Let me know if someone already has a better list on Huffpo or somewhere.

1. Harm none. The most obvious implication of this is NEVER, EVER, touch your phone while driving. Pull the fuck over. Don't take a chance on killing another human being for digital crack. The rest is subordinate to this first principle. I don't use any devices while driving but I'm writing it down to reinforce this, helping me to resist temptation.

2. Choose who you're with. Don't use the device for more than the most basic communication (i.e., coordination of plans) when in the presence of other human beings, especially my son. Sure, snap a couple pictures but put it away and leave it. My son is 4 and so it's more obvious that if I'm on any device, I'm valuing that activity over him. I feel I learn something about human beings here that should be obvious because a child is the base we come from.

3. Have fun and keep learning. Online's awesome.

Ok, it's a pretty thin set of principles that took me a few minutes to compose, but it'll serve my purposes until I'm ready to add another item but it's very likely that other items don't need to be codified. I wonder if making a list like this is a thing or am I a nut? Maybe both...

Re: I Used to Be a Human Being

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post #140

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Is the problem of authenticity, another word for being yourself (right?) a problem specific to online? I wonder if it's a problem that came with modern civilization. People can feel this way IRL. I guess the Internet does add an extra measure of distance in a sense but in another sense it reduces those distances. We all routinely interact with people all over the globe. I'm not arguing against what you're saying, jus…

I was reading a book a couple weeks ago and there was a throwaway line that really stuck out to me. I think it was a David Foster Wallace book It was something like all the great themes are taken. We've taken all the great themes and adventures and created theme parks where you can go to experience a fantasy yet know this isn't real. You know it's not authentic. I'm butchering the meaning of it, wish I could figure o…

If it's new to me then why should I care? Why is new ipso facto good? And what are some examples of theme parks?

I know a lot of people who go out in the wilderness any chance they get but if that's not your thing, there are plenty of ways to get right to the basics even in day to day life.

And if novelty is what you're seeking, anything new to you is novel. You're not the first person to climb a mountain but if it's your first time, it's a novel experience. New is overrated. The supply of novelty is unlimited right now.

If I'm going to be derivative then this serves: "I've got 99 problems and 'there's nothing to do anymore' ain't one of them."

If you think this is boring, you probably don't remember life before the Internet... :-)

Re: I Used to Be a Human Being

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What have we lost? I don't doubt we have lost something, I just don't know what it is.

What have we lost? In my opinion, a big part of it is the illusion that people are more than just people With the internet, we've been able to confirm that everyone is, more or less, just like us. You can see this especially in up and coming new media stars. They use self deprecation as a crutch and irony is really funny. The internet released a hall of mirrors on society and now the illusion of authenticity is broke…

I'm not following the celebrity bit. You're saying we are seeing through the illusion of authenticity because of a wall of mirrors released by the Internet? I get that it's a metaphor but I don't understand what you're getting at.

What's your definition of real? I ask because when I think of single speed bikes, the first thing that comes to mind isn't real, it's what a pain in the ass. Just because it's a throwback doesn't make it more real. Get a real bike! No I don't think anything at all. I'm in fucking Oregon. I'd go nuts thinking.

And is the reason you're having trouble navigating people because they have the illusion of becoming one of the Greats or is it you that has that illusion? This is all intriguing but a bit obtuse.

Re: I Used to Be a Human Being

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Yes, that's right. I'm realizing that the problem the OP brings up is really a spectrum. I actually do think I have a problem with too much time online but everyone's solution isn't drastic measures. For some it might be scheduling yoga, the gym, a beer with friends. You know you have a problem when you're grateful when a friend cancels plans as you get to spend more time online. One thing is clear though, immersion…

When I think I might have a problem with something, my experience has been I'm usually right about it. I also can't remember the last time I did something in response to feeling like I had a problem and regretting the decision. You're absolutely right, though, and it's something a lot of people recovering from this or that addiction don't typically understand: solutions to addiction exist on a personal level, everyon…

Self awareness is key and a break to do something else like a discussion here for a while is reasonable, too.

We all might look back at this moment as the moment it all changed, we all held our heads up and made eye contact. We put away the devices. Cats slept with dogs. And dogs slept with donkeys. There was something different about the world that morning.

I'm glad I stumbled on this thread even though I sort of argued with myself today whether I should regret the time spent on this thread or not. I won the debate.

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