Another Lenovo story.
Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
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Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#452Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Universal" machine. I expect any computer I own to run anything I put on it. Locking out software is like a car maker trying to control what brand of gas you put in your car.
Does that include your cable company DVR, your PS4, your doorbell, your wifi-enabled refrigerator, your thermostat, and the 50 other devices in your home that contain (or are) computers?
Yes, of course. Why wouldn't I include them?
Any cpu in my household is mine (presumably.) I don't care what peripherals it has, it's just a computer.
From my POV all those devices are just computers with various peripherals. I don't see any way in which attaching a specific peripheral changes the universal nature of the cpu.
Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#453This is horribly misleading - http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44694.html has some more details. But the short version is that Lenovo are force-enabling a feature that ensures they get better power management, and which is unsupported under Linux because Intel have never submitted code. If Intel ever do so (or if someone else writes it), Linux will just work.
It's not horribly misleading, Matt. If you view it from the perspective of the average Linux user, I think you'd agree that:
1. Lenovo is usually one of the first choices for a Linux laptop.
2. Lenovo obviously has made the call here to ignore the Linux community on their forums.
3. Lenovo has actually stated "This system has a Signature Edition of Windows 10 Home installed. It is locked per our agreement with Microsoft." -- whatever that means.
4. Win10 dropped the requirement that Secure Boot can be disabled. This has already been filed as a complaint to the EC:
I remember when in 2012 secure boot was announced for the new
Windows 8. I am from Spain, and at that time a lawyer (Jose
Maria Lancho[1]) that was the president of a Spanish LUG
(Hispalinux) create a official complain to the European
Commission about the Windows 8 certification program in
relation with the requirements of Secure Boot.
At that time the certification program describe that one of
the requirement was to have an option to disable SB via UEFI,
but only for desktops and laptops, but not for tables. Now
this option is not anymore required for the Windows 10
certification program. That point was one of the argument
that we exposed in the complain.
Is very sad to see that the circle is closing as we
predicted in the complain, and with this new Signature
Edition thing a new movement in this direction. And so far,
the European Commission is not doing anything in that
regard, and less and less hackers, lawyers, and groups are
fighting against this kind of movement.
Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#454Earlier quoted context omitted.
Someone pointed me to the Dell XPS 15 yesterday (i7, 32GB, 1TB SSD, 4K touch screen). Dell's business practices were a big contributor to the current situation, but I'm getting close to overlooking that.
I've had a few people I know/trust use those and they were far from happy with them. A lot of video/battery/driver issues unfortunately
That's valuable feedback, thanks. I was really considering it.
Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#455Earlier quoted context omitted.
> fora Off-topic, but for future reference: fora = forums, viri = viruses, indices = indexes, formulae = formulas, etc.
Meaning is the same for 'fora' and 'forums', but both are fine and 'forums' is in fact more commonly used: http://grammarist.com/usage/fora-forums/ I suspect same is true for viri/viruses and formulae/formulas but I'm not even worried enough about to check. Me saying 'viri' or 'formulae' would be me being a person I don't want to be.
It would make you an ignoramus in all things Latin, I assume? Given that "viri" means "(a plurality of) human males"...
Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#456Earlier quoted context omitted.
> fora Off-topic, but for future reference: fora = forums, viri = viruses, indices = indexes, formulae = formulas, etc.
Big difference between indexes and indices. Indexes are entire systems of indices.
This is true, but the linguistic difference is too subtle and too technical to be safely relied upon in normal usage. (In this context, indexes are better thought of as sets of "entries" or "references" rather than "indices".)
Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#457Earlier quoted context omitted.
From my experience supporting my colleagues, no. Linux does not exceed windows at user friendliness. Stability completely depends on your hardware, distro, and use case. It has made great strides, and windows is regressing, but it's not done yet.
I think it should be considered that the vast majority of Windows systems are pre-installed and pre-configured out of the box. If this were the case with Linux, there might be an argument. Most Windows users couldn't easily install, configure and use, e.g. Server Enterprise Edition. Likewise, I doubt Gentoo would be a common candidate for ease of use. The various *buntus have really come a long way in regard to user…
That was part of my reasoning. Installing Windows is a huge pain in the ass compared to installing Linux. If you need a service pack you have to go to their website, the download links are always difficult to find and buried under walls of text that nobody cares to read. And there's always a chance that the download link simply won't work for some stupid bureaucratic reason, such as "Use Windows Update". And if Windows Update fails, you're really SOL.
In Linux, if you're missing something it's a simple matter of "apt-get install something" and it almost always works. The rate of failure for Windows updates and installing proper drivers and software in windows is much higher.
And Linux is far more likely to work out of the box on most hardware. Windows installs never have more drivers available than what ships on the CD/DVD. With Linux Net Installs, as long as your Ethernet is supported, and it probably is supported, the rest of the system will be up-to-date.
I have recently installed Windows 7, Windows 10, and Linux, I've used each for a number of months. Linux was the easiest and friendliest. I've been using Windows for years so I'm not a newbie, it's a terrible operating system.
Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#458Earlier quoted context omitted.
Meaning is the same for 'fora' and 'forums', but both are fine and 'forums' is in fact more commonly used: http://grammarist.com/usage/fora-forums/ I suspect same is true for viri/viruses and formulae/formulas but I'm not even worried enough about to check. Me saying 'viri' or 'formulae' would be me being a person I don't want to be.
It would make you an ignoramus in all things Latin, I assume? Given that "viri" means "(a plurality of) human males"...
You are, of course, correct - unlike those people who write 'viri' or, even more often, 'virii' instead of the correct Latin 'vira' - which, as it happens, is not part of common English use.
Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#459To quote Ashtefere on Reddit,
> * The linux drivers for the NVME chipset in this laptop do not yet exist. No one is stopping them from being built.
> * Signature edition PC's must be locked into their highest performing mode in bios - this happens to be the NVME raid mode in the bios
> * Windows can't even see this because the chipset is so new, thus the extra driver needing to be loaded.
> * Lenovo have not yet built a linux version of this driver, but when they do you would also need to preinstall it or use a distro that includes it.
> * Again, no one is stopping you from building the driver yourself.
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_micro...
So....it sucks for compatibility. But it doesn't preclude compatibility.
Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#460Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to a comment there, it's not hardware, it's a BIOS setting. > I've been able to successfully get past Lenovo's lock through direct bios flashing. I'm looking into better solutions, hopefully I can find a way to do this without an external programmer. I was going to keep people updated from the Lenovo forum, but as this is no longer an option I will keep people updated from here. https://www.reddit.com/r/lin…
Yes, but it's a setting that causes the hardware to behave differently, and which would need driver support to function.
The problem is that it's locked.
As a default it would be fine, if it could be changed without removing the BIOS chip.