I was just about to consider a Lenovo laptop. This is such a turn off that I'm putting it way down the list now.
Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
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Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#412Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It also made me realize how important it is to have a community on which one can rely to spread problems like this one. Several people on their own can't do much against big companies, but a big tech commnity can. I never think that a support forum should be owned by the company. There is a clear conflict of interest. The company does not want you calling them out on product flaws or their behaviour, on a site that…
> fora Off-topic, but for future reference: fora = forums, viri = viruses, indices = indexes, formulae = formulas, etc.
Big difference between indexes and indices. Indexes are entire systems of indices.
Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#413The worst part is the reaction from Lenovo in my opinion. They just locked the thread reporting the issue on their forum, not saying anything about the problem itself but instead threatened the community to turn the pre-approval option on. This really makes me angry and makes me want to boycott their products. I really hope this issue will spread so that Lenovo learn that they made a bad move on this one. It also mad…
> This really makes me angry and makes me want to boycott their products.
After SuperFish, Omniture, and whatever their third malware scandal was, you still need a reason not to buy Lenovo?
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#414The other HN thread suggests this not actually a dark conspiracy by Microsoft but simply a case of missing linux drivers for the storage devices. This sounds believable to me. But I'll put my tinfoil hat on just for fun and pretend it was an intentional move. Could this make sense as a new twist on the old strategy, making it "Embrace, Extinguish, Extend"? With the WSL, they made it theoretically possible to run Linu…
>locking existing users out of Linux A serious question: What gives Linux users the right to expect that Linux will run on any given PC / laptop? Think about it. These PCs/laptops are designed to adhere to Microsoft's Windows PC hardware standards doc (which was never, ever an open standard) and, with few exceptions, only tested against various versions of Windows. Linux users are failing to receive a feature that th…
As an aside for anyone interested, the Windows Hardware Compatibility Program requirements are at: https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/windows/hardware/dn922588...
A offline (PDF) version is available at the bottom-most link on the page.
Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#415I have a Lenovo Yoga 900 Signature Edition I just picked up from the Microsoft Store a month or so ago. Works great with Ubuntu, I guess I got an older model that didn't have the issue.
Although, I saw this mentioned a while ago when I was first installing it: https://allanbogh.com/2015/12/23/installing-ubuntu-16-04-dai...
Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#416This is a good time to mention https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/thinkcentre_bios/9sj995us..., with the quote "Fixes the issue of installing Redhat 6.3." (If you don't remember: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20187.html)
Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#417Earlier quoted context omitted.
>locking existing users out of Linux A serious question: What gives Linux users the right to expect that Linux will run on any given PC / laptop? Think about it. These PCs/laptops are designed to adhere to Microsoft's Windows PC hardware standards doc (which was never, ever an open standard) and, with few exceptions, only tested against various versions of Windows. Linux users are failing to receive a feature that th…
"Universal" machine. I expect any computer I own to run anything I put on it. Locking out software is like a car maker trying to control what brand of gas you put in your car.
Does that include your cable company DVR, your PS4, your doorbell, your wifi-enabled refrigerator, your thermostat, and the 50 other devices in your home that contain (or are) computers?
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#418Earlier quoted context omitted.
> fora Off-topic, but for future reference: fora = forums, viri = viruses, indices = indexes, formulae = formulas, etc.
Big difference between indexes and indices. Indexes are entire systems of indices.
Even more off topic, but have you got a source for that? :)
Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#419Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems absurd because you complete glossed over the most important part: " and for whatever reason, there's no working option for exposing a more standard AHCI interface instead." This isn't linux's fault for not supporting some non-standard raid driver, this is lenovos fault for not allowing users to change the bios settings to non-raid. Also, just because you are been using a Thinkpad sucessfully (which is largel…
> This isn't linux's fault for not supporting some non-standard raid driver, > this is lenovos fault for not allowing users to change the bios settings to non-raid. Lenovo made a computer that exposes hardware to the OS for which Linux does not yet have drivers. They could have exposed a more standard interface, but they didn't. I guess this is their fault, okay. But again, what's the big deal? What's next? You'll be…
Yes, Thinkpads have traditionally had the best linux hardware support of all laptops, ever since there were x86 laptops (the easiest installs were thinkpads, and toshiba, early on).
Now, this piece of hardware removes support for the standard way to access the hard drive. Why did they do that? Hardware engineer couldn't fix a glitch in a new chipset in time to fix the issue in time to ship? Exceedingly unlikely. You only change those chips when you have to, because of cost or design constraints, and Lenovo is shipping other, similar hardware that does work with standard storage drivers.
Someone (one person!) managed to flash the BIOS to add AHCI support, but certainly I don't need to point out that this level of tinkering is equivalent to a crypto secure boot situation for well over 99% of laptop-buyers. That is, they would not be able to defeat either.
Now, a large portion of those buyers are not even aware of linux, so it's very easy for them not to care. Some people take umbrage to the argument-from-not-caring (I've got mine! My video plays fine! etc.), not because you have shown that their position is wrong, but because it seems to them that you are arguing that you understand that they are screwed, you are not, and "too bad for you".
Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop
#420Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It also made me realize how important it is to have a community on which one can rely to spread problems like this one. Several people on their own can't do much against big companies, but a big tech commnity can. I never think that a support forum should be owned by the company. There is a clear conflict of interest. The company does not want you calling them out on product flaws or their behaviour, on a site that…
> fora Off-topic, but for future reference: fora = forums, viri = viruses, indices = indexes, formulae = formulas, etc.
Meaning is the same for 'fora' and 'forums', but both are fine and 'forums' is in fact more commonly used:
http://grammarist.com/usage/fora-forums/
I suspect same is true for viri/viruses and formulae/formulas but I'm not even worried enough about to check. Me saying 'viri' or 'formulae' would be me being a person I don't want to be.