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Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by watmough »

godmodus wrote: post #134
hatmatrix wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the problems are with the non-Thinkpad line, no?

They're not as water resistant or as durable as they used to be, intact, not at all. I've been using thinkpads for 10 years. I've had a p61, x200, x201s and an x230. The x230 is when it started to break down. It's a shit laptop. Ive also worked on an T440 and upgraded it's ram for a colleague - it's extremely hard to open. Sad to see such a loved frame be butchered like that.

Try a yoga 110e .... Full metal edu chrome book.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by edoceo »

sergiosgc wrote: post #331
sevensor wrote: post #313

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Agreed, and I'm a long-time ThinkPad advocate with a stack of older models in my closet going back to the R31. I've always thought they had superior keyboards and pointing devices, and every one of my old ThinkPads runs Arch beautifully. (Granted, I didn't bother installing X on the R31.) Given the opportunity to pick out a new laptop for work last week, I passed them by, and that was before I was aware of this news.…

Honest question: what is the alternative? Apple is not. Dell has finicky hardware. HP has crappy laptops. Asus is hit and miss. When my x1 dies, I think I'll just continue and get the then current generation x1...

Alternative: Librem 15

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by Chuck_Out »

sergiosgc wrote: post #331
sevensor wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, and I'm a long-time ThinkPad advocate with a stack of older models in my closet going back to the R31. I've always thought they had superior keyboards and pointing devices, and every one of my old ThinkPads runs Arch beautifully. (Granted, I didn't bother installing X on the R31.) Given the opportunity to pick out a new laptop for work last week, I passed them by, and that was before I was aware of this news.…

Honest question: what is the alternative? Apple is not. Dell has finicky hardware. HP has crappy laptops. Asus is hit and miss. When my x1 dies, I think I'll just continue and get the then current generation x1...

>> When my x1 dies, I think I'll just continue and get the then current generation x1...

They changed the finish a bit so that carbon-fiber texture is gone, and they removed the physical volume button above the function keys, but at least there's proper function keys now (unlike the third gen, I think).

I got mine with 16 GBs RAM and 1 TB SSD.

I had to tell someone :P

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by mysidia »

zx2c4 wrote: post #373
arca_vorago wrote: post #362

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It seems absurd because you complete glossed over the most important part: " and for whatever reason, there's no working option for exposing a more standard AHCI interface instead." This isn't linux's fault for not supporting some non-standard raid driver, this is lenovos fault for not allowing users to change the bios settings to non-raid. Also, just because you are been using a Thinkpad sucessfully (which is largel…

> This isn't linux's fault for not supporting some non-standard raid driver, > this is lenovos fault for not allowing users to change the bios settings to non-raid. Lenovo made a computer that exposes hardware to the OS for which Linux does not yet have drivers. They could have exposed a more standard interface, but they didn't. I guess this is their fault, okay. But again, what's the big deal? What's next? You'll be…

The thing is the AHCI interface is native to Intel chipset, so they had to do some sort of extra work to block access to enable it......

They provided a new proprietary storage interface, because it's purported to be Faster, and the better performance should benefit Windows users.

I vote incompetency and apathy on Lenovo's part, not malice.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by sergiosgc »

0xCMP wrote: post #355
sergiosgc wrote: post #331

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Honest question: what is the alternative? Apple is not. Dell has finicky hardware. HP has crappy laptops. Asus is hit and miss. When my x1 dies, I think I'll just continue and get the then current generation x1...

Idk of the reliability, but I recommend looking at the recent build quality of HP laptops in person. It's pretty impressive. Still need to see that they're good for the long run, but they look like they're getting better. Also Dells being finicky? Never heard of that, but wouldn't doubt it either. I think the XPS line works well with Linux. I know someone who used Ubuntu exclusively on it for a long time.

My Dell impression is anecdata. A company of a friend of mine bought a bunch of XPS 13. Out of a dozen laptops, only two were not RMA'd. The issues were not the same either. Keyboards with stuck keys, dead pixel strips on screens, screens that were too dim even on the highest setting. The overall impression was really not good.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by carapace »

RandomOpinion wrote: post #354
xg15 wrote: post #47

The other HN thread suggests this not actually a dark conspiracy by Microsoft but simply a case of missing linux drivers for the storage devices. This sounds believable to me. But I'll put my tinfoil hat on just for fun and pretend it was an intentional move. Could this make sense as a new twist on the old strategy, making it "Embrace, Extinguish, Extend"? With the WSL, they made it theoretically possible to run Linu…

>locking existing users out of Linux A serious question: What gives Linux users the right to expect that Linux will run on any given PC / laptop? Think about it. These PCs/laptops are designed to adhere to Microsoft's Windows PC hardware standards doc (which was never, ever an open standard) and, with few exceptions, only tested against various versions of Windows. Linux users are failing to receive a feature that th…

"Universal" machine.

I expect any computer I own to run anything I put on it.

Locking out software is like a car maker trying to control what brand of gas you put in your car.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by janw »

zx2c4 wrote: post #344

The community's reaction seems absurd to me. For whatever reason, the device only exposes some sort of RAID controller to the OS, and for whatever reason, there's no working option for exposing a more standard AHCI interface instead. The problem is that Linux doesn't (yet) have a driver for that RAID controller. Okay, great. Linux doesn't yet support particular piece of hardware. News at 11. Just like usual, if you w…

Currently dual booting Ubuntu and Win7 on a P50. So far experience has been great, including for finding and installing GPU drivers in Linux.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by dream-on »

"Windows 10 can't be installed on a recent Raspberry Pi."

I am sure it can -- and one wonders why Microsoft bothered to port it -- but why go through the hassle?

The point is that users can buy small form factor computers and these computers do not run Windows.

They are called development boards.

Perhaps these boards are the future of "general purpose computing".

And perhaps they can be paired these with sexy enclosures that are made by company run by designers that does not sell electronics - they only sell enclosures.

And they look better than Apple's.

Then I woke up. It was just a dream.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by sergiosgc »

Chuck_Out wrote: post #403
sergiosgc wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: what is the alternative? Apple is not. Dell has finicky hardware. HP has crappy laptops. Asus is hit and miss. When my x1 dies, I think I'll just continue and get the then current generation x1...

>> When my x1 dies, I think I'll just continue and get the then current generation x1... They changed the finish a bit so that carbon-fiber texture is gone, and they removed the physical volume button above the function keys, but at least there's proper function keys now (unlike the third gen, I think). I got mine with 16 GBs RAM and 1 TB SSD. I had to tell someone :P

Congrats, it looks like a sweet machine. I have a 2nd gen one. The one with the clickpad and no proper function keys. Got it after a 1st gen one was stolen. I'd trade it for the previous version if I could. A couple of months after I bought it, the 3rd gen reverted the idiotic clickpad and oled function key ideas.

The bad side in disguise is that these machines are tough. They usually last five years of daily travel and daily usage, so I'm still three or four years out of a decent trackpad.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by [deleted] »

2bitencryption wrote: post #72
voltagex_ wrote: post #11

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I don't think being able to change the drive to AHCI mode would fix the problem. The BIOS (actually UEFI) "locking" and storage driver are two separate issues. I mean, hell, if someone wants to send me one of these laptops I'll test it and do a full writeup. Of course Reddit has gone off without anyone actually confirming what the issue is. Microsoft would be smart to come out with a statement on this if it picks up…

/r/linux is the most ridiculously paranoid forum I've seen. You have to go there to see it for yourself. Imagine the way that HN is paranoid of the US government, but then double that and apply it to Microsoft, which makes even less sense. To them, MS is the boogeyman that will stop at nothing to prevent them from being the glorious 1% that doesn't use Windows. It's still the 90's on /r/linux, in many many ways.

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