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Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by coldtea »

pikzel wrote: post #231
coldtea wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So they did lie when they said "Microsoft Loves Linux". No, the title and "secret agreement" theory is just BS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor > Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. MS hasn't been the boss of anyone much ever since 2005 or so... http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html

"of course Apple and Sun can sell computers, but not to the two most lucrative markets for computers, namely, the corporate desktop and the home computer." - Joel Spolsky, 2004

Well, with around 8-10% today (9.6% according to StatCounter), Apple which targets higher-end, higher-margins gets most of the profits from the home computer market, at least in the US.

It is also doing quite well recently in the corporate desktop (see IBM adopting Macs, etc). Heck, they almost dominate the "startup founder/employee" desktop, as well as the "university student" desktop.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by sideshowb »

buro9 wrote: post #228
paulintrognon wrote: post #210

The worst part is the reaction from Lenovo in my opinion. They just locked the thread reporting the issue on their forum, not saying anything about the problem itself but instead threatened the community to turn the pre-approval option on. This really makes me angry and makes me want to boycott their products. I really hope this issue will spread so that Lenovo learn that they made a bad move on this one. It also mad…

> It also made me realize how important it is to have a community on which one can rely to spread problems like this one. Several people on their own can't do much against big companies, but a big tech commnity can. I never think that a support forum should be owned by the company. There is a clear conflict of interest. The company does not want you calling them out on product flaws or their behaviour, on a site that…

No company runs its own support forum ... as far as I'm aware Stack Overflow is ad supported right? ;)

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by dagaci »

deviate_X wrote: post #232
paulintrognon wrote: post #210

The worst part is the reaction from Lenovo in my opinion. They just locked the thread reporting the issue on their forum, not saying anything about the problem itself but instead threatened the community to turn the pre-approval option on. This really makes me angry and makes me want to boycott their products. I really hope this issue will spread so that Lenovo learn that they made a bad move on this one. It also mad…

The version of linux he used does not have the right drivers! simple.

There seems to be a lot of hurt and over-excitement about this!

It's not even possible to re-install Windows on this machine let alone Linux.

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/forums/forumtopicprintpage/boar...

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/forums/forumtopicprintpage/boar...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And why would Microsoft be behind blocking Linux and windows installs, and reinstalls ...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by zyrthofar »

phantom_oracle wrote: post #213

I see lots of folks referencing the Dell XPS laptops. Just as a FWIW, here is another option: https://system76.com/ As per my opinion on this, I'd rather see people not have knee-jerk reactions to Lenovo screwing up Linux support and people rushing for "alternatives", but rather make a concerted effort to support companies focused on Linux-supported hardware (for the long-term). Also, this story combined with the HP…

I've heard some good and bad reviews about system76 and zareason. I'm currently considering the Librem 13 on https://puri.sm/ for when they come out in october.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by JBReefer »

beagle3 wrote: post #244
marcell wrote: post #242

As much as I'd love to (hate to) see vintage 1990's Microsoft back in evil empire mode, this doesn't make sense. What is their motive here? The Windows vs. Linux battle is long settled, and Windows is not under thread from Linux. Why would they intentionally block Linux on one vendors laptops, gaining basically no profit/market share, and risking lawsuits and online outrage? Hanlon's razor applies; I assume this is a…

In my opinion, motive is locking win7/win8 out. Locking linux out would be a happy (for MS) coincidence in this case.

I'm going with this theory - it makes more sense than "MS HATES LINUX!!11!!"

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by borplk »

StreamBright wrote: post #219

I like these catchy titles. How long is this going to last? We have hackers who can crack iPhone pin codes designed to be secure and make hacking impossible. I guess we see a new BIOS that can enable Linux installations within a month.

That's not the point.

I'm not paying thousands of dollars to get something that needs to be "cracked" to work the way I want.

Lenovo will not see a single dollar of mine, ever.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by coldtea »

vlehto wrote: post #266
coldtea wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When was it okay to prevent me to do what I want to something I own? Ever since not preventing you also meant not preventing others, and thus malware, exploits, pwnage, stolen data and passwords, etc. And ever since what you wanted to do was hurting others (e.g. not driving while drunk, even if its your car) or violating other's copyright.

Interestingly alcometer locks on cars and speed limiters are very rare. Except for minorities, like truck or taxi drivers. Small groups of voters, so politicians can do what they wish with them. Seems like it's "okay" when you can get away with it. But not okay when large group of people get some slight inconvenience.

>Interestingly alcometer locks on cars and speed limiters are very rare.

If the technology gets convenient and cheap enough, they might not be.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by blubb-fish »

marcell wrote: post #242

As much as I'd love to (hate to) see vintage 1990's Microsoft back in evil empire mode, this doesn't make sense. What is their motive here? The Windows vs. Linux battle is long settled, and Windows is not under thread from Linux. Why would they intentionally block Linux on one vendors laptops, gaining basically no profit/market share, and risking lawsuits and online outrage? Hanlon's razor applies; I assume this is a…

> The Windows vs. Linux battle is long settled

What makes you think that?

As far as I can tell there is still a reasonable chance that Linux and Linux-typical software like LibreOffice will gain more market share at the cost of Microsoft products. Especially with preinstalled and -configured notebooks working with Linux.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Post by coldtea »

rndgermandude wrote: post #199
coldtea wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So they did lie when they said "Microsoft Loves Linux". No, the title and "secret agreement" theory is just BS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor > Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. MS hasn't been the boss of anyone much ever since 2005 or so... http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html

Then why did a Lenovo employee say there is an agreement? http://imgur.com/a/niewu

Because he has no clue? He is a tech support person ("product expert") answering forums questions.
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