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What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by benedikt »

zeveb wrote: post #116
jedberg wrote: post #37

To everyone complaining about the $250K (see edit, it's actually 200K) per person in salary (which seems to be everyone at the moment), a few things to keep in mind: 1) That includes benefits 2) They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley 3) Given what they have accomplished with such a small team, these are probably high caliber people. 4) In SV there is a good 25% premium you…

I think $200K/person is fine, but I do quibble with this: > They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley Why? Why compete for talent in Silicon Valley when there are people all over the country who'd love to work on something like this? I can get why they might prefer not to do remote teams (it's a challenge), but there are cities like Seattle, Boston, Denver, Dallas, Kansas Cit…

Also there are other countries than the US

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by [deleted] »

zeveb wrote: post #116
jedberg wrote: post #37

To everyone complaining about the $250K (see edit, it's actually 200K) per person in salary (which seems to be everyone at the moment), a few things to keep in mind: 1) That includes benefits 2) They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley 3) Given what they have accomplished with such a small team, these are probably high caliber people. 4) In SV there is a good 25% premium you…

I think $200K/person is fine, but I do quibble with this: > They are in Silicon Valley and have to compete with everyone else in Silicon Valley Why? Why compete for talent in Silicon Valley when there are people all over the country who'd love to work on something like this? I can get why they might prefer not to do remote teams (it's a challenge), but there are cities like Seattle, Boston, Denver, Dallas, Kansas Cit…

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Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by Dylan16807 »

eropple wrote: post #148
MustardTiger wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>people who seriously know how to code mission critical X.590 root CA PKI infrastructure are not cheap And they also aren't working at letsencrypt.

You've exhaustively enumerated those people, have you? I know a couple folks at Let's Encrypt in passing and they are at the top of my list of folks I would want writing code for me if I needed to trust it with, if not my life, most stuff up to that point.

I'm not saying they're right, but it's not hard to enumerate 3 or 8 people.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by softawre »

sosborn wrote: post #169
ryandrake wrote: post #96

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OK, so $200k in salary then. Still stupendously good. WOW! Maybe there _IS_ something to all these "I know this guy who's brother's roommate makes $300K at Google" threads. It just seems so unbelievable.

From what I've been told, take the employee's salary and multiply by 2 to get the actual cost to the company.

To hire them, maybe. To employ them (after the cost of recruiting), it's more like 30% on top of salary.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by Dylan16807 »

mrb wrote: post #119

To Let's Encrypt: if you guys took bitcoins as donation I would give $10 in an instant. The friction of filling out this long Paypal form is just too high for $10... http://i.imgur.com/oZZWeuG.png (And, no, I don't have a Paypal account.) Make it easy to give, and you will receive more donations! Edit: I am not the only one who wants to donate BTC! Bitcoin was the number one request asked last year: https://twitter.c…

That's an interesting way of putting it. I think I would spend longer double-checking a bitcoin transaction that I would one through paypal.

Name/address are easy to autofill even if you don't want anything saving your card info.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by freehunter »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #117
nappy-doo wrote: post #49

Fascinating. Everyone here is complaining that 2M for 8 employees seems steep, but I think this seems really cheap. Admittedly, I work at Google, but we bat around the number of 400-500k per employee when discussing them here. 250k/ in SV seems really reasonably priced in comparison.

Maybe SV is not the best place then. Especially when they are working remotely. One thing is to make money and pay salary as you want, and another one is "we want such salaries, please donate". But don't get me wrong, I'm going to subscribe for monthly donation to them. They save a lot of my time monthly.

I'd say it's a true statement. The reason you start a company in SV is to get access to the people who live and work in SV. If you don't use that pool of resources, there is no point in being in SV and paying to be in SV. Might as well move to Madison, WI and halve your expenses. And there you'd have access to University of Wisconsin graduates and can compete on wages with Epic instead of Google and Apple.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by freehunter »

msinclair wrote: post #182
resmote wrote: post #162

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Creating a certificate is easy.

It sure is! Just go to https://letsencrypt.org

It's so easy, I have a cron job do it for me!

(That is a comment on how easy LetsEncrypt makes generating certificates, something I very much appreciate).

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by nkassis »

Fogest wrote: post #134
ryanobjc wrote: post #99

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probably not. the best canadian coders are already here in the US.

Says who?

I think it was kind of a joke with some seriousness to it. It's really easy for Canadians to move to the US to work. So a large chunk of the highly qualified Canadians do leaving less in Canada. Canada suffers a shortage of highly qualified people in many professions. For example medical professions have it really hard given doctors moving to the US can make multiples more than in Canada.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Post by nkassis »

Fogest wrote: post #189
ryanobjc wrote: post #157

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Says a Canadian who lives in the US who overgeneralizes. It's not entirely true, but its way closer to the truth than you'd admit.

I mean I am a Canadian who lives in Canada and I disagree. So that's why I don't get your argument? I know plenty of very skilled people here.

But you gotta admit a lot of recent grads end up leaving. I'm another Canadian who left given I was offered doubled my salary in one move.
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