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Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by FireBeyond »

josho wrote: post #146
DiabloD3 wrote: post #109

For non-technical users, is there a good tutorial I can point them at to disable iCloud Desktop/Document deleting? This is extremely bad behavior and I have no clue why Apple thought this was a good idea. Like, this is class action material imho. You can't just take people's files and lock them behind a paywall just because they previously opted into the paywall on a case by case basis. Edit: For those downvoting, it…

Can you elaborate on this? Is OSX deleting iCloud documents if you run out of space?

No, it deletes documents off your computer and puts them in the cloud.

If you subsequently stop paying for iCloud, you risk losing them. Or having to pay to restore them.

Yeah, it's opt-in and somewhat "implied", but I think the OP is saying there really should be an "* if you use this feature, an active iCloud subscription is required"

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by pfranz »

coldtea wrote: post #145
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PS works surprisingly well in Wine, but that I could understand. Emacs works better than any IDE. Your browser is usually good enough for multimedia unless you're talking about creating it.

> Emacs works better than any IDE. In the immortal words of Jeffrey Lebowski: Well, that's like, your opinion, man. Good IDEs like IntelliJ and VS have so much better integration for given languages that only result in ad-hoc, ho-hum solutions in Emacs (if one can suffer the millions of key bindings). > Your browser is usually good enough for multimedia unless you're talking about creating it. Well, if multimedia we…

Sure, you're swatting down his arguments, but not Linux. IntelliJ works for Linux--I'm not sure why VS was mentioned since this is a thread about moving from macOS to Linux. VS Code works just as well in macOS as it does Linux.

Of course the browser can't play back all multimedia. With its pedigree, I'm sure FLAC was running Linux before it was running on Linux or Windows. I haven't heard of much of an issue with RAW files in Linux either. VLC works better more reliably than anything proprietary for macOS or Windows.

Creating videos is something that seemed "the thing to do" in the early 2000's. IMHO, Apple did have the best consumer tools back then. But I haven't really hear of much use in the last 10 years. Linux might have decent tools? I wouldn't know.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by pbarnes_1 »

Lio wrote: post #121
Finnucane wrote: post #84

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Is this so terrible? Presumably El Capitan will get security updates and your machine will continue to work for some time to come.

It's kind of a pain though as there's no current equivalent machine if you've got an older Mac Pro with decent graphics card in it For desktops it's either the aging and not user upgradable Mac Pro or the aging (but less so) iMac.

Do not, under any circumstances, buy the 'new' MP.

Literally the worst thing I've ever spent 6k on. DO NOT DO IT.

Buy the iMac 5k 3 times instead.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by pbarnes_1 »

dtang wrote: post #21

Is there anything noteworthy under the hood that would compel power users to upgrade? None of the features listed on Apple.com look like things that would be useful from my perspective.

Unlocking your Mac with an Apple Watch might be kind of exciting?

Although to be fair it stopped working for no discernible reason (was working this morning, not working now).

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by easychris »

pbarnes_1 wrote: post #163
Lio wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's kind of a pain though as there's no current equivalent machine if you've got an older Mac Pro with decent graphics card in it For desktops it's either the aging and not user upgradable Mac Pro or the aging (but less so) iMac.

Do not, under any circumstances, buy the 'new' MP. Literally the worst thing I've ever spent 6k on. DO NOT DO IT. Buy the iMac 5k 3 times instead.

Care to explain? I really planned to buy a Pro instead of an iMac because of upgradeability. Why don't you recommend it?

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by pbarnes_1 »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #68

So, there's no new features that anybody asked for, save the clipboard thing, which has unfortunate security implications, and there's a ton of nonsense none of us will ever use, as the Mac platform gets increasingly complex ("the computer for the rest of us" is now anything but), moves away from Unix compatability, and doesn't do anything useful with this additional complexity, but does cause emacs to crash. I'd wai…

Probably a whole bunch of unannounced security fixes though.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by Nullabillity »

coldtea wrote: post #154
Nullabillity wrote: post #148

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Conceptually, any such application is just an internet-connected filesystem driver with (presumably) a local cache in front. So there's no technical reason it couldn't be pluggable, just Apple being Apple as usual.

> Conceptually, any such application is just an internet-connected filesystem driver with (presumably) a local cache in front. If we oversimplify to death, yes. In the real world, it's an application created on a deadline, to work on a specific backend and take advantage of its features, and to serve as a basis for future development (and to work across OS X, iOS, etc). Some of the stuff also includes tight integrati…

> as they would need to specify entry points and APIs that they then can't change.

Presumably they could add new extensions as they go, and disable functionality that depends on them if they're not available. This stuff isn't exactly rocket science.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by tothepixel »

coldtea wrote: post #127
baldfat wrote: post #89

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AS an outsider looking in. What is holding a developer from moving to Linux? I don't understand the draw of OS X for developers especially the past few years. These yearly updates seem to break everyone's workflow for a while.

> AS an outsider looking in. What is holding a developer from moving to Linux? I don't understand the draw of OS X for developers especially the past few years I've used UNIX for ages, started on Sun OS (pre-Solaris), HP-UX, have used several early Linux distros, RedHat, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake (!), FreeBSD for a year or so, and now I use Ubuntu for personal stuff and Centos professionally. I wouldn't use a Linux load…

Minor critique - Getting a MBP to run with dual external monitors is a complete and absolute nightmare involving propriety standards (thunderbolt), OS lockouts (MST works with bootcamp, but not OSX), and expensive Apple hardware (outdated $1000 monitors only). Apple is no longer the company of simplicity from yesteryear.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

coldtea wrote: post #150
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #135

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>Like? I can't possible thing anything that got made more complex, save for a couple of trivial things (with an equal amount of other stuff or more becoming easier). UI complexity: Apple keeps moving the goalposts on its UI focus, and it shows: The new interface is WAAY more complex. EC did some interesting unix things, which broke some stuff IIRC. The new FS will be nice, but it's not there now .

> UI complexity: Apple keeps moving the goalposts on its UI focus, and it shows: The new interface is WAAY more complex. What would be a concrete example? (And is that example major and/or indicative of lots of changes towards difficulty, or just a random example, among other things that got easier and some that got harder?) > EC did some interesting unix things, which broke some stuff IIRC. Well, even Linux might br…

Systemd is crap, but it broke little.

Re: MacOS Sierra

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

pfranz wrote: post #162
coldtea wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Emacs works better than any IDE. In the immortal words of Jeffrey Lebowski: Well, that's like, your opinion, man. Good IDEs like IntelliJ and VS have so much better integration for given languages that only result in ad-hoc, ho-hum solutions in Emacs (if one can suffer the millions of key bindings). > Your browser is usually good enough for multimedia unless you're talking about creating it. Well, if multimedia we…

Sure, you're swatting down his arguments, but not Linux. IntelliJ works for Linux--I'm not sure why VS was mentioned since this is a thread about moving from macOS to Linux. VS Code works just as well in macOS as it does Linux. Of course the browser can't play back all multimedia. With its pedigree, I'm sure FLAC was running Linux before it was running on Linux or Windows. I haven't heard of much of an issue with RAW…

Openshot does the job pretty well, last I checked. It's not exactly polished, but it seems to work okay.
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