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Re: Oct. 4

#91

Post by Splendor »

mkozlows wrote: post #67
JohnTHaller wrote: post #7

The new phones, the Pixel and Pixel XL are rumored to start at $649 for the smaller phone in the smallest memory configuration of 32gb. If true, this would mean the old Nexus line is well and truly dead and Google is taking the Apple approach to pricing. The Pixel brand is supposed to be premium at a premium price but currently has one product that fills that niche (the Pixel Chromebook) and one that doesn't (the fai…

That is not an accurate description of the Pixel C. It's an excellent Android tablet. That some reviewers don't want Android tablets is a separate issue.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you didn't really counter anything in the previous post.

Re: Oct. 4

#92

Post by LeifCarrotson »

Splendor wrote: post #91
mkozlows wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not an accurate description of the Pixel C. It's an excellent Android tablet. That some reviewers don't want Android tablets is a separate issue.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you didn't really counter anything in the previous post.

One said it launched barely functional, the other said it's an excellent Android tablet. Those are very different.

Re: Oct. 4

#93

Post by mkozlows »

SCdF wrote: post #87
mkozlows wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two years of major-release support, and three years of security support: http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/08/05/google-announces-new...

Right, so still pretty bad compared to iOS: iOS10 just came out and supports the iPhone 5, which was released 4 years ago. I presume if they had some massive security issue they'd backport it to versions of iOS older than 10. (I am no iOS fanboy, but honestly I'm sick of the android expectation of getting a new phone every 2 years, and they seem to be the only ones who are even pretending to give a shit with their ol…

Don't look at it from the time the phone started being sold, look at it from the time the phone stopped being sold. Android and iOS are very comparable then. The difference is that Apple keeps selling old models (at high prices) for three years.

Re: Oct. 4

#94

Post by halflings »

JosephRedfern wrote: post #3

Looking at the source, there are two arrays of image filenames specified between script tags on that page. One is "IMAGES", which is referenced by the JS elsewhere, and specifies overlayed over the rectangle. The other, called EXTRAS, defined but not referenced elsewhere. It contains two entries, pointing at these images: https://madeby.google.com/static/images/tenfour/extras/002.j... and https://madeby.google.com/st…

I wonder if that's Simone Giertz (the famous "mad inventor" on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3KEoMzNz8eYnwBC34RaKCQ) on the left. She mentionned on instagram that she'd be present at some Google events.

Re: Oct. 4

#95

Post by mikeash »

SCdF wrote: post #87
mkozlows wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two years of major-release support, and three years of security support: http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/08/05/google-announces-new...

Right, so still pretty bad compared to iOS: iOS10 just came out and supports the iPhone 5, which was released 4 years ago. I presume if they had some massive security issue they'd backport it to versions of iOS older than 10. (I am no iOS fanboy, but honestly I'm sick of the android expectation of getting a new phone every 2 years, and they seem to be the only ones who are even pretending to give a shit with their ol…

I don't think Apple typically releases security updates for older versions of iOS, although they do for the Mac. I don't see any iOS 8 updates available after 9 shipped, for example:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

I believe your overall point remains valid, though. The most recent hardware that can't update to iOS 9 is the iPhone 4, which shipped five years before iOS 9, and was last sold 3 years ago.

Re: Oct. 4

#96

Post by SCdF »

mkozlows wrote: post #93
SCdF wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, so still pretty bad compared to iOS: iOS10 just came out and supports the iPhone 5, which was released 4 years ago. I presume if they had some massive security issue they'd backport it to versions of iOS older than 10. (I am no iOS fanboy, but honestly I'm sick of the android expectation of getting a new phone every 2 years, and they seem to be the only ones who are even pretending to give a shit with their ol…

Don't look at it from the time the phone started being sold, look at it from the time the phone stopped being sold. Android and iOS are very comparable then. The difference is that Apple keeps selling old models (at high prices) for three years.

I get what you're saying, but it doesn't help practically with the idea what I don't want to buy a new phone all the time.

If I wasn't so wed to Android the right thing to do would be to buy whatever iPhone was new at the time and ride it down until they stopped providing updates. Especially because (anecdotally, of course) iPhone battery life seems to last much better over time than Android, so not only will I continue to receive updates for longer, but it will actually be a usable phone for longer.

Re: Oct. 4

#97

Post by JohnTHaller »

mkozlows wrote: post #67
JohnTHaller wrote: post #7

The new phones, the Pixel and Pixel XL are rumored to start at $649 for the smaller phone in the smallest memory configuration of 32gb. If true, this would mean the old Nexus line is well and truly dead and Google is taking the Apple approach to pricing. The Pixel brand is supposed to be premium at a premium price but currently has one product that fills that niche (the Pixel Chromebook) and one that doesn't (the fai…

That is not an accurate description of the Pixel C. It's an excellent Android tablet. That some reviewers don't want Android tablets is a separate issue.

It's a quite good Android tablet now. At launch, it was pretty messy. Part of this was because it was supposed to be a Chrome OS tablet but got rushed out as an Android tablet before Android even had split screen. Yes, the OS matters if it limits the hardware. It has 4 mics but didn't even support Google's always on at launch (seriously?). Add to that the fact that the hardware was pretty buggy at launch with lots of users complaining about random reboots and failures.

Ars Technica has a good summary in their "One year later" review of the Pixel C. The reviewer is on his 3rd Pixel C due to hardware failures. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/one-year-later-can-an...

Re: Oct. 4

#98

Post by Chestofdraw »

MereInterest wrote: post #28
Chestofdraw wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly can't see why people care so much about having long update windows. Batteries simply aren't good for many cycles so it doesn't make sense to support a phone for longer than its battery will last. Also, it's a pretty reasonable assumption that users who don't care to be on the latest hardware don't care to be on the latest software.

Which is entirely by design, when they make batteries not be swappable. If your goal is to make a good product, it makes perfect sense to have a long update window, just as it makes perfect sense to offer replacement batteries.

If your goal is to make a good product then introducing points of failure around its power supply probably isn't a great idea.

Re: Oct. 4

#99

Post by soylentcola »

x0x0 wrote: post #68
morsch wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the 650 USD sticker price (which inevitably end up being 700+ EUR) turns out to be true, I'm getting a Chinese phone, most likely a Xiaomi Mi5. I want updates from Google, but not to the tune of an extra 400 EUR. The OnePlus 3 is fine if you can handle 5.5".

I'm in the same boat as gp -- my Nexus 5 is dying, and I'm looking for something similar for under $500. The OnePlus 3 looks perfect, except they have a history of lying about android updates (promising rapid release then taking 7-8 months). I don't think Google's new Pixel strategy will work well for them. My opinion is Android is inferior to Apple on almost every dimension and I own an android because it was $400 i…

I guess I'm more of an Android "fan" in that I prefer it over iOS in general after using both fairly extensively. As is the norm, I find iOS to be a bit more polished than Android but a bit less forgiving when I want to do something that isn't the default behavior.

Granted these are more generalizations but they're a bit of a cliche for a reason. Still, the combination of a bit more flexibility and the ability to buy a Nexus (or that one time, a Moto X) for $350-450 instead of $650 and up for an iPhone has kept me in the Android camp for the past several years.

I've also been holding off on replacing my Nexus 5 and will still wait to see just what the word is on these new Pixel phones but I will say that the higher, more iPhone-like price means I'm likely to be less forgiving of minor issues or complaints that I'd just deal with on a device that costs 2/3 as much.

Just as my Asus laptop has a worse screen than a similar Macbook sold at the time but cost $950 instead of $2200 for otherwise similar specs, I have no problem accepting some tradeoffs for the right price. But if that Asus had be marked at $1950 compared to the $2200 Macbook, I might have just gone with the better viewing angles and better support record.

Still, it's all just speculation. We all make our purchasing decisions after we get a chance to evaluate all of the options. Until the devices and reviews show up, it's all a bit premature.

Re: Oct. 4

#100

Post by js8 »

yincrash wrote: post #59

Will it have a headphone jack?

Will it have a real, physical keyboard?

That's why I bought the first Google phone and I still use it.

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