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Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by Steeeve »

danso wrote: post #2

The r/conspiracy thread where things unfolded: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/53fw9x/bleachbi... One of several archived copies of the r/exchangeserver thread, "Remove or replace to/from address on archived emails?" (the user stonetear deleted his account during the r/conspiracy thread): http://archive.is/FXcao

Actually, it started at /r/the_donald, but was promptly removed for violating reddit's doxxing policy.

Since then it's been spammed in a variety of low traffic subreddits in an effort to make it relevant news.

Personally, I find it had to trust anything that comes out of reddit's political forums, as they are incredibly unreliable sources of information. (this included)

The /r/exchangeserver communities top post of all time as of yesterday had 50 upvotes. The top post from 2 years ago had 25 and 13 comments. But somehow I'm supposed to believe that the best technical resource this guy could think of when faced with this investigation was reddit? Umm... No. I don't believe it for a second.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by misja111 »

douche wrote: post #240
dang wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean your moderating servants? At the time, there were multiple posts of the same story competing for attention, so a mod marked all but one as a dupe. But then that surviving one got heavily flagged. We reduced them at one point ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12534542 ) but the flags kept coming. I think what's going on here (and what I just told the other moderators) is that this is one of those times w…

This happens with every single story that touches on this subject. Over the course of the summer it's happened time after time - the flag brigade gets almost all of them. After the flag-killed story today was reset, it still never showed up on the main page, despite hundreds of votes, although it did show up on /classic.

I noticed the same. For instance: not so long ago there was a story on HN that reported the fact that Google's autocomplete suggestions have a strange bias against Trump and in favor of Clinton, which doesn't seem reflect the popularity of the suggested sentences. It got flagged quickly and removed. Probably because the source was sputnik.com, a Russian news site.

But the phenomenon that was reported was true, it was easy to verify by yourself. I don't see why these kind of posts should be flagged and removed. Maybe you don't agree with their content, but then why not have a discussion about them? In this case I would have been interested in hearing an explanation for those autocomplete suggestions.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by gozur88 »

snowwrestler wrote: post #338
gozur88 wrote: post #303

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This is wrong, as a matter of law. It doesn't matter who set up the email account - any emails you generate as part of official business are official records. They're government property.

> any emails you generate as part of official business are official records. They're government property. But not personal emails. Read the Hill article very carefully and see if it identifies whether we're talking about official business or personal. It doesn't. The House GOP is careful to avoid making that distinction, because their goal is to feed a sense of impropriety--a goal which seems to be well-met here on H…

>But not personal emails.

That's true.

>The House GOP is careful to avoid making that distinction, because their goal is to feed a sense of impropriety--a goal which seems to be well-met here on HN, judging by the comments.

No, the sense of impropriety was fed by Hillary Clinton herself when she turned over a tiny fraction of emails relating to official business and then destroyed the rest so nobody could ever retrieve them.

Honestly, that people can't see, by now, after the cattle futures, after the Rose Law documents, after the Clinton Foundation, after the destroyed emails, that this woman is crooked... I can't help but be amazed.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by belorn »

xenadu02 wrote: post #11

> "As a PST file or exported MSG files, this could be done though, yes? > The issue is that these emails involve the private email address of someone you'd recognize, and we're trying to replace it with a placeholder address as to not expose it." From the way it reads it looks like he is asking how to bulk remove an email address from the archived messages so when they are turned over they don't contain the redacted…

> The idea that we should be able to immediately read all the correspondence written by any public official also seems silly

Open government is silly? It has been a core aspect of democracy for a long time, and dates back at least to the time of the Enlightenment. People are allowed to have private conversations, but government are held accountable for decisions and the decision process. Transparency allows citizens of a democracy to control their government, reducing government corruption, bribery and other malfeasance. Is that what we are calling silly?

What it should do is encourage public officials to act lawfully and within the trust than citizens has given them. The idea of sealing emails "X years after leaving office" goes directly against the idea of classified documents, since that seal should only be added to information which will harm society and the public that elected the government. Embarrassing or corrupting showing information is not that.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by Inconel »

bcg1 wrote: post #296
Inconel wrote: post #261

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Correct me if I'm wrong, and I may well be, but I'm under the impression that a significant number of posters on HN have problems with the H1B visa program. I'm not particularly knowledgable on the subject but from the comments I've read most of the concern centers around driving down wages, and thus costs for employers, and shackling H1B visa holders to specific jobs. Is this an incorrect reading of the sentiment he…

I should have been more clear when I referenced H1B. My personal opinion about the program is that it is deeply flawed, mostly because it is a sort of legalized indentured servitude. I doubt Trump has those same feelings however, as he hires H1B works at his own club in Palm Beach instead of Americans. If he was morally opposed to the program, I doubt he would do that. I brought it up because he talks about it in a w…

Thanks for the response. I agree with you that at best Trump seems hypocritical to denounce the H1B visa program after having employed those holding H1B visas, and at worst much more nefarious for using those immigrants as scapegoats. At the same time, my main concern with your original comment was that you used his stance on the H1B program as an example of his racism. Now, in Trump's case that very well may be true, but by using his stand against H1B's as your reasoning you basically imply that anyone against the H1B program is also racist. I understand that wasn't what you meant to imply but it highlights to me one of the dangers of the current political climate. Namely, a person might have a specific stance on an issue based on very legitimate reasoning, in this case the H1B program being indentured servitude, and if someone else comes along who happens to hold those same views for perhaps less legitimate reasons, lets say racism, we tend to automatically discount the stance as being racist or otherwise illegitimate.

Being labelled a racist is a pretty serious charge for most people who don't have wealth or power and actually have to live and work with a diverse group of people. I would hate to be called a racist due to being against the current way the H1B program is administered just because Trump is against it as well.

Again, I'm sure that's not actually what you meant, but it points to the importance of using very clear language when leveling these kind of accusations.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by Inconel »

imron wrote: post #382
saboot wrote: post #369

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You are wrongly characterizing what I am saying. Maybe try reading my original post again? People can only "allow" them to inject themselves into discourse when they have full consent, ie what their agenda is. Ignoring them doesn't silence them, nor makes it clear that their ideas are not acceptable. Did I give you any links? I indicated that they are there and it is explicit and obvious. If you cannot handle that a…

> Maybe try reading my original post again? Ok, sure > But you are ignoring that people who are proudly racist are openly admitting to using pepe specifically to broaden and popularize explicitly racist ideas Yes. I am ignoring such people, because such tactics don't merit anything more. I would also ignore them if they claimed to be using Mickey Mouse or any other broadly popular icon to promote their ideas. Because…

This is exactly my problem with the Clinton campaign article about Pepe being a white nationalist symbol. I found that article troubling because first, it reads like satire and I am legitimately frightened that this is what a major presidential candidate views as political discourse in this country, and second because it so unequivocally casts Pepe as racist symbolism, which is completely false. There is no nuance whatsoever in that article, which increasingly seems like standard procedure in politics on both sides of the aisle. Nuance and deep understanding seem to have completely disappeared from politics, everything is black or white, good or evil.

I'm writing this on my computer and I have an entire folder on my desktop filled with rare Pepes that I've collected over the years. I'm not a white nationalist and up until last week I had a Pepe sticker on my backpack that I carry with me everywhere. When I saw this article gaining mainstream attention I immediately took the sticker off. I have enough things to deal with in life to not want to worry about being called a racist because of my Pepe sticker. Now, I understand there are much greater injustices in the country to deal with than this, but this is yet another example of politicians using these kind of binary arguments that end up making serious discourse impossible.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by witty_username »

icantdrive55 wrote: post #186
mindcrime wrote: post #44

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I honestly can't understand how anybody is considering voting for Clinton or Trump. If this world was anything close to reasonable, Gary Johnson would win in a landslide. shrug

I really wanted to like Gary Johnson, but didn't. I was going to vote for Hillary, but after Sander's success, she started making promises that just mimicked his. She is not going to bring jobs back to the United States. I might not vote for a president this year. I feel kinda dizzy just writing that last sentance. There's a small part of me that thinks if the right third party candidate/person, back by a ton of mone…

> She is not going to bring jobs back to the United States.

And why is that important? The government can always lower the minimum wage to adjust the number of jobs if it decreases.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by witty_username »

plandis wrote: post #344
mindcrime wrote: post #272

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That Aleppo thing is a total joke. If our foreign policy wasn't a complete joke, there would be no need for the President to know anything about Aleppo. As it is, it's still questionable if there's any reason for him/her to do so. Keep in mind, Johnson is running for President, not Chief Cartographer.

There's just something off putting about having a president that doesn't keep up with current events.

The president can just lookup what Aleppo is.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by seanot »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #291
mozumder wrote: post #223

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> If I used my personal email address for all communication with my companies clients for work, they'd demand all of those emails when I left the company. But they wouldn't be able to get them, no matter how hard they demanded. Personal email addresses exist. Companies have to deal with that fact.

> But they wouldn't be able to get them, no matter how hard they demanded I work in securities. My work emails must be archived. If I send work email from my personal email (a) that is potentially illegal and (b) I must promptly turn them over to my archives. If I refuse b, I face civil and potentially criminal censure. Blows me away how finance has stricter controls than the people conducting bombing raids.

But the people running bombing raids regulate the securities industry. Therefore, they make the rules. This ain't Plato and Aristotle's polis.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by gd1 »

CPLX wrote: post #224
jimmywanger wrote: post #26

The actual facts aside, this makes her appear far less electable, as her campaign camp looks like it's being run by a bunch of clowns. Just from a PR perspective, this could not have come at a worse time. The collapse at the 9/11 memorial, the "basket of deplorables", and the mention of the Pepe meme on her official website. Right after a couple of muslim terror attacks, some evidence surfaces purporting that she tri…

It's going to be mildly amusing when our bizzare micro-obsession over State Department email retention policies leads to domestic ethnic cleansing.

Congrats on being able to parrot someone else's tweet: https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/778060645300404225
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