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Re: Apple Slaps Developers In The Face

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Post by philwelch »

bilbo0s wrote: post #12
smackfu wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the Apple board would never push out Steve Jobs. Well, not again.

Exactly, they won't make the same mistake twice. History is foremost in everyone's mind right now.

Ironically, if Jobs wasn't pushed out in 1985, Apple would have gone bankrupt even faster. Jobs' perfectionism is an asset now that he's let it be ever-so-slightly compromised by market necessities, but the Mac wouldn't have been a viable platform into the 1990's if, as Steve continued to insist, they not include a hard drive or any fans. His same perfectionism over the NeXT cube (and over such details as which shade of gray to paint the factory) nearly ran NeXT into the ground.

I think Jobs learned from those failures, but the history is a lot more complicated than "Jobs gets pushed out from Apple, Apple starts floundering, Jobs comes back and Apple succeeds."

Re: Apple Slaps Developers In The Face

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Post by jherdman »

gamache wrote: post #26
jherdman wrote: post #13

I'm sorry, but I really don't give a damn. There's a lot of speculation here (and elsewhere), and until I hear anything official from Apple I refuse to get too wound up.

We have something official, more official than any press release: the developer contract. No matter what Apple says in the next few days, nothing short of removing the new clause can prevent Apple from enforcing it at will.

Well, that's sort of what I'm driving at. Apple clearly has an agenda with this clause and its not 100% clear to the developer community what that agenda is. Do they mean things like PhoneGap are dead, or simply things that provide an alternative API (e.g. running apps via the Adobe Air runtimes). How about cross compilers? Does Apple really give a damn if you write something in Scheme and then have it transcoded into Obj-C? I highly doubt.

Re: Apple Slaps Developers In The Face

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Post by gamache »

jherdman wrote: post #43
gamache wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have something official, more official than any press release: the developer contract. No matter what Apple says in the next few days, nothing short of removing the new clause can prevent Apple from enforcing it at will.

Well, that's sort of what I'm driving at. Apple clearly has an agenda with this clause and its not 100% clear to the developer community what that agenda is. Do they mean things like PhoneGap are dead, or simply things that provide an alternative API (e.g. running apps via the Adobe Air runtimes). How about cross compilers? Does Apple really give a damn if you write something in Scheme and then have it transcoded int…

My point is that their agenda, while useful to know, mean nothing in the long run, because as long as that clause is active, Apple has the ability to enforce it capriciously.

Whether or not they "mean" things like PhoneGap are dead, etc., is irrelevant. The ability to kill any app because of its original source language is the important thing.

Re: Apple Slaps Developers In The Face

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Post by hkuo »

I think this person will regret writing this post tomorrow, if not sooner. This is akin to having an emotional reaction to someone's email and returning an immediate flame email, later feeling like a complete jerk. But this is on a much grander scale, writing a blog post as an official representative of an entire company. Very poor taste.

Though I'm enjoying the show quite a lot!!!

Re: Apple Slaps Developers In The Face

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Post by Qz »

houseabsolute wrote: post #27
Qz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

theflashblog.com is not an official Adobe blog. Let me clarify -- theflashblog.com is not produced by Adobe, the company. It is written by an official representative of Adobe, but it is not the official response of Adobe the company, and the site is not an official Adobe site.

> Now let me put aside my role as an official representative of Adobe for a moment . . .

I clarified my comment -- there is a distinction between an official adobe blog, and a blog by an official representative of Adobe.

Re: Apple Slaps Developers In The Face

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Post by jeiting »

csytan wrote: post #23

The trouble is that we will never hear their discontent because Apple employees are forbidden from blogging, posting to social networks, or other things that we at companies with an open culture take for granted. ... Comments are closed. A little hypocritical don't you think?

I wish we could all be as open as Adobe.

Please do not reply to this. Especially if you do not agree.

Re: Apple Slaps Developers In The Face

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Post by mdasen »

ilike wrote: post #37
mdasen wrote: post #25

So, there are a couple things here that jump to my mind. 1. Adobe isn't completely innocent. They're pretty close to a monopoly on their type of software and charge dearly for it (their Creative Suite costs as much as a MacBook Pro). They've done a lot to make sure there are no non-Adobe Flash players even when that's just hurting customers and not costing them money since they don't sell the player. They're not exac…

Adobe doesn't restrict the creation of swf players or swf creation tools. Gnash,Swfdec are free open source alternatives to Adobe Flash Player.

There is some debate about whether the Adobe/Macromedia Flash EULA can be considered binding, but Gnash developers prefer to avoid the issue by not installing Adobe/Macromedia tools, and thereby not accepting the EULA. We can use tools like Ming to generate Flash testcases, and we rely on the efforts of volunteers to run our testcases on commercial software and report the result.

http://www.gnashdev.org/?q=node/25#eula http://www.gnashdev.org/?q=node/64

Other implementations do exist, but Adobe has taken action to hamper those efforts.

EDIT: Other people can argue for as long as they like about what is considered hampering, but Adobe isn't exactly free and open with flash.

Re: Apple Slaps Developers In The Face

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Post by jongraehl »

mcantor wrote: post #31
ROFISH wrote: post #10

"Go screw yourself Apple." How professional.

I was really shocked at how partisan and flagrantly accusatory this post was. Does Adobe really want this kind of mudslinging associated with their company name?

An honest and justified gripe is fine with me; I even respect people for not being afraid to accuse in such a case, but I guess they should consider people who value decorum higher, as you do.

Re: Apple Slaps Developers In The Face

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Post by jongraehl »

There probably isn't anything Apple can do to prevent people implementing cross compilers from i{pad,phone}-legal code to other platforms.

So this is merely offensive and insulting to programmers, and can't create any lasting competitive advantage.

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