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Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by rando444 » Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 5:36 AM UTC

adam12 wrote: post #24

xenadu02 wrote: post #11

> "As a PST file or exported MSG files, this could be done though, yes? > The issue is that these emails involve the private email address of someone you'd recognize, and we're trying to replace it with a placeholder address as to not expose it." From the way it reads it looks like he is asking how to bulk remove an email address from the archived messages so when they are turned over they don't contain the redacted…

> From the way it reads it looks like he is asking how to bulk remove an email address from the archived messages so when they are turned over they don't contain the redacted email address. You don't redact email addresses when you are subpoenaed by the f'ing FBI. edit: My bad, it was the House Select Committee on Benghazi (July 2014). The FBI didn't take custody of the server until August 2015.

I think it reads worse than that

“I’ve done quite a bit already in the last few months related to this. Her team had me do a bunch of exports and email filters and cleanup to provide a PST [personal storage file] of all of HRC’s emails to/from any .gov addresses,” Combetta wrote. [0]

Exporting email and filtering it, but only for .gov addresses(?).. I would imagine that whoever subpoenaed those mails was requesting not just .gov communication, and I can't help but think that these sort of actions are suggestive of some deeper cleanup activity.

[0] http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/19/computer-tech-who-asked-ho...

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by saboot » Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 5:37 AM UTC

imron wrote: post #337

saboot wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't reply to you, but I suggest you try replying directly to my points instead of injecting your own political agenda.

You can reply, you just need to wait a few minutes - it’s an HN feature to prevent people replying in haste. I have no political agenda. I’m not from the US, I’m not in the US, I can’t vote in this election. I have no horse in this race. I’m an outsider looking in on the stupidity (on both sides). I am addressing your points - or at least thought I was. Your point as it appears to me (feel free to correct me if I've…

> this has the opposite intent of what you expect and like the Streisand effect

They are promoting it themselves, loudly, and trying to inject their ideas into mainstream political discourse. I see no problem in calling for people to reject it, and helping them identify them. You can look into american history and see that we have been through cycles like this before (example the 'Know Nothings' against the catholics).

I have myself clearly seen more speech in favor of segregation ("we just weren't meant to mix together") on many sites (reddit, facebook comments on congressman pages, etc). I can give you links to explicitly racist sites where they talk about organizing on popular websites to change discourse. You argue I'm giving them the Streisand effect, but we are already too late. They are here, people need to be aware today. These people intentionally prey on those who are susceptible and angry.

I have two (former) friends who have tried talking to me about how "cultural marxism is destroying western values" and that every muslim has evil in their hearts. They weren't always like this.

They don't deserve to be important, instead of ignoring them people need to be willing to say that this is unacceptable and their ideas are not welcome.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by syphilis2 » Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 5:40 AM UTC

The US News and World Report article is also a nice primer on this issue. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-19/paul-combetta...

I have not seen this reported on by any major US news media. (FOX, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, PBS) Other than The Hill, US News, various right-wing sources, and VICE I don't see anyone writing about this. It reminds me of the first hour or two after Hillary's episode at the 9/11 event where the only major news source reporting was Fox News.

Is this something people are interested in? Is there an obligation to report on this nationally?

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by patrickg_zill » Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 5:41 AM UTC

morgante wrote: post #321

MichaelGG wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds more pro-Jewish than anti-black.

> The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. This is not a pro-Jewish statement. It's a textbook anti-semite stereotype.

Technically it is a reference only to Orthodox Jews, who wear their yarmulkes to work.

Secular (non-religious or atheist or whatever) and Reform (not sure about Conservative, but I think they don't wear yarmulkes to work) Jews wouldn't be included.

I know both Jews who would laugh and those who would be offended by it.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by tanderson92 » Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 5:45 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #346

alecco wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did the thread suddenly drop below the fold? How was the thread marked as 254 points on the home page and at the same time 312 inside the thread? Thanks

The thread dropped because users flagged it. The 254/312 isn't what I'm seeing and ought to be impossible given how the software works. Can you reproduce it?

The user is using a popular HN plugin which lists "254" as the number of comments, not number of points. See the second photo for another place the "254" comments is displayed.

The user is likely misunderstanding how the plugin works.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by snowwrestler » Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 5:52 AM UTC

001sky wrote: post #277

robomc wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey may not have viewed his actions as being a big deal - like, it's possible that they're not a big deal, outside of political hay-making. There's nothing in the thread to suggest he's trying to conceal anything meaningful in terms of the content of the correspondence. Presumably the "how does I delete sexy snapchats to the Saudis" thread was done more discretely.

Thats not true. The reddit thread explicitly states what he wants to do is legally and ethically problematic. And it spells out why. "That is why the functionality doesn exist in exhcange" was the sort of end result of the larger logic here.

Yes the thread says that, but they are wrong. No lawyer in the world thinks that Microsoft Exchange is some sort of legal chain of custody or inviolable vault of perfect information.

The reason Exchange does not have the functionality to redact email address is that people who need to redact information usually prefer to do it by hand, so it would be a waste of Microsoft's time to build a utility to do it.

But to think that an Exchange DB can't be altered... I mean, if you have root on a machine you can do anything you want to the information on it. And yes, the legal world knows that.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by snowwrestler » Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 5:58 AM UTC

iamdave wrote: post #14

This is interesting. I was up drinking beer with a friend until 5am this morning talking about the very phenomenon of breaking news coming from social media and sites such as Reddit. He pointed to the Boston bombing and Dallas shooter situations as reasons why the press should "just ignore" social media; his entire argument boiled down to 'bad data exists along side good data, therefore throw it all out" I didn't nec…

There is not really any news here, although the House GOP will once again spin up the PR machine over this.

Redacting the characters of an email address is almost certainly not illegal; in fact both State and the FBI regularly do this themselves when releasing emails.

So, I don't think this is much of a win in the social media saves the world column.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by Mao_Zedang » Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 6:09 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #294

douche wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This happens with every single story that touches on this subject. Over the course of the summer it's happened time after time - the flag brigade gets almost all of them. After the flag-killed story today was reset, it still never showed up on the main page, despite hundreds of votes, although it did show up on /classic.

Sure; nearly all those stories are off topic for HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I assume this one's different because of the Reddit connection.

When content moderation rules like these are infrequently enforced they cant be taken seriously.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by jimmywanger » Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 6:10 AM UTC

zimzam wrote: post #301

Zpalmtree wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I checked "undocumented" immigrants aren't a race, and they also broke the law. It's not racist to attack people breaking the law.

This claim cain only be made by somebody ignorant of the history of racism: racism almost always lives with a non-racist pretext. Here are a couple of examples, though many more exist: Lynchings were instigated by an accusation of a crime - the perpetrators could claim they weren't racist, they were just keeping their communities safe! [1] Japanese internment too had a non-racist pretext: people of Japanese descent w…

You're talking ignorantly right now.

First, the two examples of racism you point out are decades old. Try to pay attention to current events.

We share a long, fairly badly secured land border with a country with significantly worse living and earning conditions than we enjoy. The fact that all those people trying to come to a better life share an ethnicity is not relevant at all.

If you want to see racism, see how British people treat Polish immigrants, even though the Poles have every right in the world to be there.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by imron » Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 6:16 AM UTC

saboot wrote: post #352

imron wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can reply, you just need to wait a few minutes - it’s an HN feature to prevent people replying in haste. I have no political agenda. I’m not from the US, I’m not in the US, I can’t vote in this election. I have no horse in this race. I’m an outsider looking in on the stupidity (on both sides). I am addressing your points - or at least thought I was. Your point as it appears to me (feel free to correct me if I've…

> this has the opposite intent of what you expect and like the Streisand effect They are promoting it themselves, loudly, and trying to inject their ideas into mainstream political discourse. I see no problem in calling for people to reject it, and helping them identify them. You can look into american history and see that we have been through cycles like this before (example the 'Know Nothings' against the catholics…

> They don't deserve to be important, instead of ignoring them people need to be willing to say that this is unacceptable and their ideas are not welcome.

Which is a better way to show someone that they are not important:

  * Ignoring them
  * Giving their views countless press in order to discredit them

I agree that calling out racism is important, but when it's just people spouting nonsense in their own little corner of the Internet why give that any attention.

> They are promoting it themselves, loudly, and trying to inject their ideas into mainstream political discourse

Something they have been trying to do since basically forever. However they can only successfully inject themselves when other people allow it.

Have a look at this basic timeline:

Internet: Pepe the frog is fun

Racists: Pepe the frog now belongs to us

Internet: Nah, Pepe's not racist.

Clinton: Pepe the frog belongs to racists

Internet: Nah, Pepe's not racist.

Question: In this scenario, who gave racists control of Pepe the frog and who allowed racists to inject themselves in to this part of mainstream culture? (Hint: it was not the racists and it was not the Internet).

> I can give you links to explicitly racist sites

This is exactly what I was talking about. In your fervor to show how horrible these people are, you are willing to promote these sites yourself...

I don't care for those sites any more than I care for sites promoting flat-earth science and/or UFOs. I know they exist, but I ignore them completely, which is exactly the attention they deserve.