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Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Yeah, a private email account which was used extensively for official government business. With no work email account ever setup. It's a matter of law that any and all work related emails on a personal email address are to be handed over for future FOIA requests, etc. upon leaving office. If I used my personal email address for all communication with my companies clients for work, they'd demand all of those emails wh…

> If I used my personal email address for all communication with my companies clients for work, they'd demand all of those emails when I left the company. But they wouldn't be able to get them, no matter how hard they demanded. Personal email addresses exist. Companies have to deal with that fact.

> But they wouldn't be able to get them, no matter how hard they demanded

I work in securities. My work emails must be archived. If I send work email from my personal email (a) that is potentially illegal and (b) I must promptly turn them over to my archives. If I refuse b, I face civil and potentially criminal censure.

Blows me away how finance has stricter controls than the people conducting bombing raids.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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What adam12 said -- sure, running a private email server to avoid FOIA is just Bush-level shady (though I'd hope the bar acceptable behavior would be higher than 'Bush did it'). But modifying and deleting evidence to thwart a subpoenae from the FBI is real bad.

It's 7 months, prior to the first subpoena. This is a question for redacting information, which is fairly common when doing releases to congress etc.

Do you really think that they didn't knew a subpoena was coming? Infact I would bet that they've consulted with a lawyer and this "redaction" was deemed as "shady but not criminal". Hilary might be "dumb" (as far as IT goes) but she ain't stupid.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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I have yet to see a single example of Trump's racism. It's an oft repeated cliche that has yet to be demonstrated by anyone. As much of a "clown" as trump might be, half of his labels are completely pulled out of thin air.

In 1989 he reportedly said "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." He spent 5 years pushing the birther conspiracy even after Obama produced his birth certificate. He also implied that Obama was a Muslim despite his claims to the contrary. He's implied several times that Obama sides with terrorists because of his upbring…

Fuzzy logic.

> In 1989 he reportedly said "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."

Last I checked, "Jewish" was not an ethnicity, but a belief system.

> He spent 5 years pushing the birther conspiracy even after Obama produced his birth certificate. He also implied that Obama was a Muslim despite his claims to the contrary.

Muslim is not a race. How is asking if the president was born in the US racist?

> He's implied several times that Obama sides with terrorists because of his upbringing.

Upbringing is a race?

> He started his campaign with this quote: "When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best.

Mexico is a country, not a race.

> He said a judge was unqualified to preside over a Trump University lawsuit because he was Mexican

Mexican is not a race. Louis CK is mexican.

> He uses language like "My African American", "The Muslims", and "The Hispanics".

African american is not a race. Charlize Theron is African American. Islam is not a race, it's a belief system. Hispanics - so he's racist against Spaniards or just mestizos?

> He refused to disavow David Duke on air until he "researched him more." He said he didn't know who he was, but it turns out there are numerous example of him mentioning David Duke in the past. He had primaries in southern states coming up, so publicly disavowing David Duke would have likely hurt him. Especially since David Duke has been campaigning for him. He did eventually disavow him after the media made a huge deal about it.

He did eventually disavow him, after agreeing with none of his views. Your point is?

> He repeatedly refers to Elizabeth Warren as "Pocahontas".

She has provided no documentation for her purportedly Native American heritage, even when pressed by the Cherokee.

> He said "They don’t look like Indians to me" about a Native American tribe that ran a competing casino.

How is that racist? I often say to my friends "I thought you were Japanese. You don't look chinese."

> He said "Maybe [the protester] should have been roughed up,” he mused. “It was absolutely disgusting what he was doing." about a Black Lives matter protester at his rally.

Way to dog whistle. He said his actions are deplorable, and he mentioned the (racist) name of the movement he was associated with.

> He said "I will say that people who are following me are very passionate,” Trump said. “They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate." when asked about supporters who beat a homeless Latino man because "they all need to be deported."

Was the homeless Latino man an illegal immigrant or a citizen? If he was an illegal immigrant, he should be deported.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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You mean your moderating servants? At the time, there were multiple posts of the same story competing for attention, so a mod marked all but one as a dupe. But then that surviving one got heavily flagged. We reduced them at one point ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12534542 ) but the flags kept coming. I think what's going on here (and what I just told the other moderators) is that this is one of those times w…

This happens with every single story that touches on this subject. Over the course of the summer it's happened time after time - the flag brigade gets almost all of them. After the flag-killed story today was reset, it still never showed up on the main page, despite hundreds of votes, although it did show up on /classic.

Sure; nearly all those stories are off topic for HN:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I assume this one's different because of the Reddit connection.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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I have yet to see a single example of Trump's racism. It's an oft repeated cliche that has yet to be demonstrated by anyone. As much of a "clown" as trump might be, half of his labels are completely pulled out of thin air.

In 1989 he reportedly said "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." He spent 5 years pushing the birther conspiracy even after Obama produced his birth certificate. He also implied that Obama was a Muslim despite his claims to the contrary. He's implied several times that Obama sides with terrorists because of his upbring…

In 1974, when Bill lost a bid for senate, Hillary called his campaign manager a "fucking jew bastard."

Hillary as First Lady called black men "super predators" that need to be "brought to heel."

Hillary Clinton started the birther conspiracy.

Hillary took part in a scripted joke with Bill de Blasio about "colored people time."

Hillary voted as a Senator to build a wall between Mexico and the United States.

Trump calls Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas" because she lied about her ethnicity for support.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Incorrect. He wants to end the H1B visa program (despite the fact that he uses for seasonal work at his club in Florida) and he does not want to accept political refugees attempting to come to the US legally.

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I may well be, but I'm under the impression that a significant number of posters on HN have problems with the H1B visa program. I'm not particularly knowledgable on the subject but from the comments I've read most of the concern centers around driving down wages, and thus costs for employers, and shackling H1B visa holders to specific jobs. Is this an incorrect reading of the sentiment he…

I should have been more clear when I referenced H1B. My personal opinion about the program is that it is deeply flawed, mostly because it is a sort of legalized indentured servitude.

I doubt Trump has those same feelings however, as he hires H1B works at his own club in Palm Beach instead of Americans. If he was morally opposed to the program, I doubt he would do that.

I brought it up because he talks about it in a way to scapegoat foreigners, appealing to the darker angels of people who have racist tendencies and are looking for someone to blame. I find such a tactic reprehensible, and I personally do not draw a distinction between someone who acts on racist feelings and someone who makes racist appeals to those who act on racist feelings.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Easy- Duverger's Law. Keep in mind, "Duverger's Law" isn't a law in the same sense that gravity is. That is, it's more of an observation of how things usually are... it's not an inviolable fundamental principle of the universe. If you vote for one of those two people, you get to influence that outcome. You're not influencing the outcome when the outcome is the same in both cases.

Obviously the outcome won't literally be exactly the same. Whether we consider them to be "the same" in a practical sense depends on what we care about. Different people care about different things, so different people will disagree about how different the candidates are.

Unless the vote is decided by a handful of ballots, one must consider whether their vote has more utility as a protest ballot against the status quo.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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>“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” It's pretty racist to attack a whole contingent of people and make broad negative generalizations about the…

Sounded like it was clearly "you" as legal Mexicans and other immigrants. The rest of the sentence is about illegals -- he's not, afaik, made any claims about Mexicans in general. If he was actually making a racist statement, then immigration status wouldn't matter.

"You" clearly haven't even read or seen the speech and are talking completely out of your ass. It was one of his opening talking points in his presidential announcement in New York City to his cronies - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06...

It's pretty straightforward xenophobic, hyper jingoist nationalist rhetoric. You = us good Americans. They = the Other. He uses the car industry for Japan, a conservative talking point since the 80s. For Mexico he harps on immigration and calls them rapists. It's aggregate and subjectivity-denying. It's racist and dumb.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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That's because you can find that here: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

I just find the whole "attack others without any mention of myself" thing to be so... Off putting. It's sad that it's so common, and scary effective. I just wish that it wasn't this way and that things like attack ads would at least include some info on how the candidate is different/better than the one they are attacking. The sad truth is that I believe many of the same things as one of the major candidates, and whe…

The actual reason for all of this is because both major American political parties have discovered, as many corporations have over the past few years, that the only thing that matters when it comes to persuasion is appeals to one's identity and emotions directly. As it turns out, people don't give a crap about logic, reason, facts, deduction... our day-to-day lives are complex enough as it is, only a few of us can actually afford the time to research all of the media's claims, and thus, reactionary, controversial, attention-grabbing headlines (not full articles, who reads those anyways?) dictate what people believe is the truth.

So yeah, you and I look at that modal popup and think, "ew gross, why are you trying THIS hard to shove this negative image of your opponent down my throat, before I can even see a single fact about you and your campaign?", but I can totally see why they would do such a thing. People are very susceptible to being persuaded by these strong emotional accusations—it seems to me that the dialog is saying, "hey, you're not one of those filthy TRUMP supporters, ARE YOU? If not, prove it by clicking this button below." I believe that such a persuasive device is far more effective than either of us can imagine.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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What adam12 said -- sure, running a private email server to avoid FOIA is just Bush-level shady (though I'd hope the bar acceptable behavior would be higher than 'Bush did it'). But modifying and deleting evidence to thwart a subpoenae from the FBI is real bad.

It's 7 months, prior to the first subpoena. This is a question for redacting information, which is fairly common when doing releases to congress etc.

This is called covering your ass just in case, not redacting.
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