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Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by yolesaber »

Zpalmtree wrote: post #165
minikites wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think his rhetoric against undocumented immigrants is racist?

Last time I checked "undocumented" immigrants aren't a race, and they also broke the law. It's not racist to attack people breaking the law.

>“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

It's pretty racist to attack a whole contingent of people and make broad negative generalizations about them and qualify with a half-hearted caveat that 'some' are good people. He's quite clearly drawing a line between "you" (the white audience he was speaking to) and the Other (i.e. the Mexicans) personified as rapists and drug dealers.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by cloakandswagger »

jungletek wrote: post #173
cloakandswagger wrote: post #119

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I especially love the pop-up modal asking me "Is Trump unfit to be President?" on that site. There's only a single button (I Agree), and clicking the X in the corner to close the modal causes the button to be pushed at the same time. For someone as "experienced" as Clinton, her campaign is astoundingly incompetent.

You say incompetent, I say intentional. It's an inverse Hanlon's Razor situation.

The whole point of click-bait ads with fake vote buttons is to entice people with the perception of choice.

Only giving me one option offends my sensibilities, even if I belong to that person's camp. I can't think of a person on earth who enjoys having their autonomy removed.

So at best you've pissed off the people who support you, and at worst you've reinforced the other camp's argument that you're an authoritarian control-freak.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by joemi »

School-Cotton wrote: post #53
mcphage wrote: post #43

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> We can all agree this is a problem. Funny how nobody seemed to think so until now.

Who cares? Literally what point are you making? Dude, do you think this is a football game? That scoring a point against your opponent negates points scored against you? I suspect a big chunk of the people complaining about this would have complained even harder when Bush did it (if what you say is true), if they had been old enough to be aware what was going on, and had social media like we do now. So, what is your…

Is it possible that by Bush setting a precedence, it being done now is OK?

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by yolesaber »

Dagwoodie wrote: post #174
yolesaber wrote: post #159

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>At least Nixon had the moral decency to resign when it was clear he wasn't right to lead by example. Yes, it was because Nixon had moral fiber. Not because he negotiated a deal with Ford to pardon him immediately and preemptively, thus saving him the humiliation of impeachment and legal repercussions.

I'm sure you're absolutely right. If he hadn't been such a snake he would have just fought the system, used his ample government connections to ensure he won't get prosecuted. The people would understand, he was just acting in those good intentions of advancing the desires of the party, after all.

Nixon was 100 percent going to be impeached if he did not resign. He had very little sway in the Republican Party by the time the tapes came out. He ran an incredibly secretive and paranoid White House that was mostly disconnected from the Senate and made many enemies even in his own party.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by [deleted] »

Dagwoodie wrote: post #174
yolesaber wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>At least Nixon had the moral decency to resign when it was clear he wasn't right to lead by example. Yes, it was because Nixon had moral fiber. Not because he negotiated a deal with Ford to pardon him immediately and preemptively, thus saving him the humiliation of impeachment and legal repercussions.

I'm sure you're absolutely right. If he hadn't been such a snake he would have just fought the system, used his ample government connections to ensure he won't get prosecuted. The people would understand, he was just acting in those good intentions of advancing the desires of the party, after all.

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Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by icantdrive55 »

mindcrime wrote: post #44
takeda wrote: post #40

And she still will be elected, because this year we had to have joke candidates on both sides. I guess it's probably the best time to vote 3rd party.

I honestly can't understand how anybody is considering voting for Clinton or Trump. If this world was anything close to reasonable, Gary Johnson would win in a landslide. shrug

I really wanted to like Gary Johnson, but didn't.

I was going to vote for Hillary, but after Sander's success, she started making promises that just mimicked his. She is not going to bring jobs back to the United States.

I might not vote for a president this year. I feel kinda dizzy just writing that last sentance.

There's a small part of me that thinks if the right third party candidate/person, back by a ton of money, jumped into the race this week, he/she might win.

At this point, if Bill Maher jumped in; I would vote for him. Hell--if Jimmy Kimmel jumped in, I would vote for him.

I don't even know these two guys, but I trust they would try to do the right thing, or at least delegate to the right people.

I rember feeling a sence of doom when Regan was running, but the world was so different, and I was in high school.

As someone said before, this election is beyond weird.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by mc32 »

School-Cotton wrote: post #53
mcphage wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can all agree this is a problem. Funny how nobody seemed to think so until now.

Who cares? Literally what point are you making? Dude, do you think this is a football game? That scoring a point against your opponent negates points scored against you? I suspect a big chunk of the people complaining about this would have complained even harder when Bush did it (if what you say is true), if they had been old enough to be aware what was going on, and had social media like we do now. So, what is your…

One other aspect is that expectations change. While it was acceptable to send and receive email in plain text at one point and access email over http, that's likely not the case any longer.

In a fast paced environment, procedures and expectations can be expected to evolve accordingly.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by maxerickson »

Dagwoodie wrote: post #137

I have yet to see a single example of Trump's racism. It's an oft repeated cliche that has yet to be demonstrated by anyone. As much of a "clown" as trump might be, half of his labels are completely pulled out of thin air.

How do you characterize his remarks about Ghazala Khan maybe not being allowed to speak?

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by eli »

cloakandswagger wrote: post #119
imron wrote: post #95

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> huh? It's horrifying https://www.hillaryclinton.com/post/donald-trump-pepe-the-fr... Edit: In response to your edit, she's attacking a cartoon frog . In seriousness. Not only that, but she's trying to attribute characteristics to that frog that simply aren't any core part of why people post Pepe memes. All of that questions the sensibilities of her campaign. Basically her campaign is going all out trying to paint T…

I especially love the pop-up modal asking me "Is Trump unfit to be President?" on that site. There's only a single button (I Agree), and clicking the X in the corner to close the modal causes the button to be pushed at the same time. For someone as "experienced" as Clinton, her campaign is astoundingly incompetent.

Trump just blasted out a fundraiser text message with a broken link. Hard to find good tech people I guess.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Post by maxerickson »

Zpalmtree wrote: post #165
minikites wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think his rhetoric against undocumented immigrants is racist?

Last time I checked "undocumented" immigrants aren't a race, and they also broke the law. It's not racist to attack people breaking the law.

Depends a little bit on the law at hand.

Illegal immigration is easy to attack without being racist. Mixed marriage not so much.

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