If you want to beat AWS fight them on data transfer pricing. $90 per TB is the reason many people choose budget clouds or dedicated hardware. Amazon's own pricing reveals how much markup they have when they drop to $50 per TB publicly for high volume and probably $20 per TB for "Contact Us"-level volume.
Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
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Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed, nothing in the press release suggests any kind of innovation. Initially, it sounds a lot cheaper than AWS - but the only pricing given is per core, nothing about RAM, network, storage, etc.
Beating AWS on price is trivial, though. If you can't beat AWS on price, you have no business starting a cloud service. So it's a question whether they think they need to beat AWS on price or not. AWS pricing certainly makes it very clear that Amazon have no interest or need to compete on price - a lot of the cloud market is extremely price insensitive. It's a curious effect that seems to be largely down to businesse…
> AWS bandwidth is easily anywhere from 5x to 50x as expensive as elsewhere depending on location
Manpower and a Stable network is anywhere from 100x to 1000x as expensive as just hosting on AWS.
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#93There are far better candidates to depose Amazon if people can move beyond the name recognition of AWS.
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#94> Ellison showed off a new Oracle Dense Cloud IO bare metal cloud server offering that will provide developers with 36 CPU cores, 512GB of D-RAM, and 28.8TB of SSD storage. AWS isn't merely about the compute. EC2 is just part of a larger ecosystem of infrastructure services that has been built out by amazon over the past 10 years. If Oracle thinks they can beat that, then more power to them but I'm not quite convince…
> AWS isn't merely about the compute. Sure, but having a compelling story about compute and having a massive advantage in knowledge of how to sell to the exact kinds of enterprises that haven't already made their big transition to the cloud yet isn't a bad combination to have if you want to establish a nice firm place in cloud. from which you can expand and develop what you need to bite off other parts of the market.…
>Sure, but having a compelling story about compute and having a massive advantage in knowledge of how to sell to the exact kinds of enterprises that haven't already made their big transition to the cloud yet isn't a bad combination to have if you want to establish a nice firm place in cloud. from which you can expand and develop what you need to bite off other parts of the market.
You mean what IBM is doing/has done? Oracle doesn't know how to sell to those people, it knows how to EXTORT those people. Most people I know hate Oracle with a passion as a business, and only continue to do business with them out of obligation.
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed, nothing in the press release suggests any kind of innovation. Initially, it sounds a lot cheaper than AWS - but the only pricing given is per core, nothing about RAM, network, storage, etc.
Beating AWS on price is trivial, though. If you can't beat AWS on price, you have no business starting a cloud service. So it's a question whether they think they need to beat AWS on price or not. AWS pricing certainly makes it very clear that Amazon have no interest or need to compete on price - a lot of the cloud market is extremely price insensitive. It's a curious effect that seems to be largely down to businesse…
If beating AWS on price is trivial, why is nobody doing that to beat them? The only place I have a gripe on AWS pricing is bandwidth. I keep waiting for the announcement that bandwidth is being cut in half next month and it hasn't happened.
I've done the datacenter thing many times and there are so many pieces to the costs of running your own that most people don't include. The biggest one is just plain agility. Predictable workloads can benefit from self-hosted, but then again you can get much better prices at AWS when your loads are predictable as well if you're willing to commit.
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
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That actually is true. Many forget that Sun wasn't far behind Oracle in the size of its hatedom for a while. We're only nice to them now because 1) speak no ill of the dead, (2 ZFS, and other technical innovations 3) because HN is full of ex-Sun employees, and 4) because we also have the odd Solaris fanboy or two, and speaking ill of Solaris or Sun is likely to get you into a holy war second only to the one you'd get…
Hi quertyuiop924, I just got the page about this Sev-2 Sun Microsystems comment on HN, and I am working this ticket. If you haven't already, please see our docs on Why Sun Microsystems Failed[1]. If I don't hear back from you, I will mark this ticket as closed. Thank you for only remembering Sun Microsystems with kindness, and have a great day! [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2287033
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
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> If Oracle thinks they can beat that, then more power to them but I'm not quite convinced. Don't rule out the power of acquisitions (see: Firebase/Google, Parse/Facebook). Word on the street is that they're also throwing silly mounds of cash at cloud talent.
They just picked up a guy I know who has no cloud experience for a bundle of money. Seems like a bunch of people around seattle are getting the mounds of cash.
What if I needed an intro to this guy of yours? (simone dot brunozzi @ gmail)
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#98Oracle is not going to win, not matter what they do. Oracle is built on selling costly products and services versus operating in a low margin environment. 1.) Amazon has a much higher bar for hiring talent, than Oracle does. 2.) Amazon is internally use to being frugal, and so pricing wars are not going to hurt them. Oracle is use to charging a arm and a leg for their products. 3.) Amazon shareholders are already use…
> 2.) Amazon is internally use to being frugal, and so pricing wars are not going to hurt them. Oracle is use to charging a arm and a leg for their products. They may be used to being frugal, but that is not at all reflected in AWS pricing, which is ridiculously high across the board.
Did you consider AWS have to keep prices high to constrain demand?
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
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Hi quertyuiop924, I just got the page about this Sev-2 Sun Microsystems comment on HN, and I am working this ticket. If you haven't already, please see our docs on Why Sun Microsystems Failed[1]. If I don't hear back from you, I will mark this ticket as closed. Thank you for only remembering Sun Microsystems with kindness, and have a great day! [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2287033
I love your video and your comment: > https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2132 > Make money, make money! :D
My favorite is the line about not anthopomorphizing Oracle. Or, from one of his other talks, The Nazis in Oracle allegories.
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
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...And I suspect that if you deploy on them, they try their damned hardest to ensure that you depend on their exclusive cloud software. And to minimize data export options as much as possible.
It's really hard to prevent me from doing a database dump, tar-bz2-ing it and scp-ing it someplace else. It would need to be something outrageously brain-damaged to fail that low level of functionality.
They can't eliminate it, but they can make it as hard as possible: encourage you to use Oracle DBs, etc.