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Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering

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Post by serge2k »

paragpatelone wrote: post #6

Oracle is not going to win, not matter what they do. Oracle is built on selling costly products and services versus operating in a low margin environment. 1.) Amazon has a much higher bar for hiring talent, than Oracle does. 2.) Amazon is internally use to being frugal, and so pricing wars are not going to hurt them. Oracle is use to charging a arm and a leg for their products. 3.) Amazon shareholders are already use…

> Amazon has a much higher bar for hiring talent, than Oracle does.

Do they? Isn't it all just rolling the dice on algorithm trivia at this point?

> Amazon is internally use to being frugal, and so pricing wars are not going to hurt them.

eye roll.

> Oracle is use to charging a arm and a leg for their products.

Doesn't mean they don't know how to price a product like this.

> Amazon shareholders are already use to the company not being profitable, where as Oracle shareholders are not

Who says oracle is going to blow all their profits?

Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering

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Post by halestock »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #43
halestock wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I'm defending Oracle, but what did they do with Solaris to make you think they aren't trustworthy with user data? It sounds like you're conflating two criticisms and equating "generally shitty company" with "untrustworthy company". Oracle DBs are pretty ubiquitous and I don't think I've heard privacy complaints leveled at them. Hell, even Amazon uses Oracle DBs pretty extensively internally.

Here's the thing: If that's the sort of business we're dealing with, which will sell out anything for an opportunistic buck, and you're now paying them monthly for data/compute, do you think they won't take advantage of that?

Oracle may be evil, but they aren't dumb. A lot of their revenue comes from businesses which have much stricter requirements around data privacy than individuals.

Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering

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Post by serge2k »

Jtsummers wrote: post #26
gaius wrote: post #24

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Yes and no. AWS has bet on cloud-means-public-cloud. Azure and Oracle are betting on hybrid: they'll sell you a private cloud that sits in your own DC that can interoperate seamlessly with their public cloud. AWS is a no-brainer if you're a greenfield, but the jury's still out on brownfield.

Which also makes it more viable for government contracts. This is like looking at any other marketshare debate. Amazon/Google may win the majority of users, but MS and Oracle are going to get the ones with deep pockets. They don't need me and my piddly weekend project, or most startups. They'll make a mint off a handful of lucrative government contracts, and contracts with the defense contractors that go Oracle becau…

That's why AWS has https://aws.amazon.com/govcloud-us/

Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

halestock wrote: post #62
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the thing: If that's the sort of business we're dealing with, which will sell out anything for an opportunistic buck, and you're now paying them monthly for data/compute, do you think they won't take advantage of that?

Oracle may be evil, but they aren't dumb. A lot of their revenue comes from businesses which have much stricter requirements around data privacy than individuals.

They won't sell off your data, but they'll screw you over as much as they can: Can you spell "vendor lock-in", or "overpriced"?

Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering

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Post by rbanffy »

ghurtado wrote: post #59
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #42

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If it could get into all the industries, Oracle would literally be Mr. Robot's ECorp.

Or, you know, Cyberdyne Systems - the creators of SkyNet: http://www.businessinsider.com/terminator-genisys-cyberdyne-...

If Oracle builds Skynet, taking it down will require nothing more than a poorly coded subquery and a wrong join.

Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering

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Post by rabidrat »

stephengillie wrote: post #49
chaotician wrote: post #16

I would not be surprised if the Oracle offerings turn out to be better than EC2 Oracle has been poaching the core EC2 team from Amazon for years now, in Seattle there are farewell parties every week for another person leaving EC2 to work at Oracle

Does this include network-layer personnel? Oracle is talking big about their compute, but it's useless without a robust and dynamic network infrastructure. Since storage fabrics are also networks today, a solid infrastructure is doubly-important, yet some data centers and MSPs seem to struggle with this core competency. * Since they seem to be targeting a hybrid approach, how flexible will they be at building and cus…

> Does this include network-layer personnel?

Yes. I used to work at a major networking company in Seattle, and Oracle has recruited many good people from there, and is paying them nose-ruining salaries. I think their cloud may have many problems, but I doubt networking infrastructure will be one of them.

Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering

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Post by ap22213 »

At least Oracle has the Fortune 500 FUD going for them. But, to think that they can easily beat an entrenched incumbent like AWS is a little much. I mean even Google, with their positive brand, hordes of cash, and guerrilla ad campaign (on this site and others) can barely make a dent.

Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering

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Post by rbanffy »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #54
bcantrill wrote: post #53

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Hi quertyuiop924, I just got the page about this Sev-2 Sun Microsystems comment on HN, and I am working this ticket. If you haven't already, please see our docs on Why Sun Microsystems Failed[1]. If I don't hear back from you, I will mark this ticket as closed. Thank you for only remembering Sun Microsystems with kindness, and have a great day! [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2287033

Not bad, Bryan. And some interesting history, too. Don't get me wrong, Sun was a great company, but like all companies, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. You've said as much yourself before. I wished to point out that there was a time that Sun wasn't as beloved, and to indicate some of the reasons that we don't talk about some of Sun's less savory actions so much on HN. If, as an ex-Sun employee, you find this ins…

Scott McNeally was great fun. Jonathan Schwartz not that much. The confusion about wether it was a hardware company or a software one drove it into the ground. Worse... Right into Oracle.

Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering

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Post by rbanffy »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #64
halestock wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oracle may be evil, but they aren't dumb. A lot of their revenue comes from businesses which have much stricter requirements around data privacy than individuals.

They won't sell off your data, but they'll screw you over as much as they can: Can you spell "vendor lock-in", or "overpriced"?

If all you do is deploying to Linux VMs, it'll be very hard to lock you in.

If you depend on their proprietary software, you deserve what you get.

Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering

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Post by rbanffy »

ravenstine wrote: post #21

To be honest, working with Oracle tech would be reason enough for me to quit my job and work elsewhere. We've now witnessed decades of Oracle's business practices and I really wouldn't bother with any of it at this point. Just using their junkware helps them thrive by turning employers into enablers.

Solaris is not that bad.

But then, it's Sun's technology, not Oracle's...

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