This must be what the nebula team was a used for.
Nimbula, yes. It's so very bad. Oracle's IaaS cloud is a Potemkin village.
None of the 'Generation 2' stuff uses Nimbula.
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Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nimbula, yes. It's so very bad. Oracle's IaaS cloud is a Potemkin village.
None of the 'Generation 2' stuff uses Nimbula.
What is 'Generation 2' using then? Oracle VM Manager? Enterprise Manager? A handful of bash scripts for Exalogic provisioning? Puppet and Mcollective?
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to defend them but it was Sun not Oracle who started bundling crapware with the JRE installer.
That actually is true. Many forget that Sun wasn't far behind Oracle in the size of its hatedom for a while. We're only nice to them now because 1) speak no ill of the dead, (2 ZFS, and other technical innovations 3) because HN is full of ex-Sun employees, and 4) because we also have the odd Solaris fanboy or two, and speaking ill of Solaris or Sun is likely to get you into a holy war second only to the one you'd get…
Hi quertyuiop924,
I just got the page about this Sev-2 Sun Microsystems comment on HN, and I am working this ticket. If you haven't already, please see our docs on Why Sun Microsystems Failed[1]. If I don't hear back from you, I will mark this ticket as closed. Thank you for only remembering Sun Microsystems with kindness, and have a great day!
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
That actually is true. Many forget that Sun wasn't far behind Oracle in the size of its hatedom for a while. We're only nice to them now because 1) speak no ill of the dead, (2 ZFS, and other technical innovations 3) because HN is full of ex-Sun employees, and 4) because we also have the odd Solaris fanboy or two, and speaking ill of Solaris or Sun is likely to get you into a holy war second only to the one you'd get…
Hi quertyuiop924, I just got the page about this Sev-2 Sun Microsystems comment on HN, and I am working this ticket. If you haven't already, please see our docs on Why Sun Microsystems Failed[1]. If I don't hear back from you, I will mark this ticket as closed. Thank you for only remembering Sun Microsystems with kindness, and have a great day! [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2287033
Not bad, Bryan. And some interesting history, too.
Don't get me wrong, Sun was a great company, but like all companies, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. You've said as much yourself before.
I wished to point out that there was a time that Sun wasn't as beloved, and to indicate some of the reasons that we don't talk about some of Sun's less savory actions so much on HN.
If, as an ex-Sun employee, you find this insulting (and the trace elements of sarcasm indicate that this may be so), than I will inform you that it certainly wasn't meant to be so, although I now see why it may come off that way.
Thank you for responding to my ticket, and have a great day!
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
My favorite memory from a former employer was eavesdropping on a call between our CIO and our Oracle representative. Oracle had told us we only needed to pay for production environments. Then, during a license audit, they claimed never to have said that and wanted to charge for all environments. I never got to hear the Oracle rep's side of the phone conversation, but everyone within 50 feet of the CIO's office got to…
Good that it was possible for CIO throw away Oracle dependency just like that. Normally Oracle replacement with alternatives in big companies would be in order of decade not months or years. In those kind of places Oracle people would treat these threats as routine business discussion.
The reason for this is the way in which the db is embedded throughout the organisation. Many years of dev being done on oracle specific technologies with business logic tied up in things like plsql procs.
Organisations do not realise the risk they face with closed source software. You are basically at the mercy of your vendor.
I believe any a CTO/CIO worth their salt would require motivation on why to use proprietary software vs open source. Is there absolutely no alternative?
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#56> IDC program director Al Hilwa wrote in an email that he had little doubt Oracle would be a major force in the cloud, and is building momentum.
The quote they use doesn't sound like he has "little doubt"
> "In terms of market leadership, I think Oracle will have to produce much faster growth rates to really get ahead of Amazon or even Microsoft in IaaS, and analysts will be watching its spend on data-centers to track this," he said.
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#57> Ellison showed off a new Oracle Dense Cloud IO bare metal cloud server offering that will provide developers with 36 CPU cores, 512GB of D-RAM, and 28.8TB of SSD storage. AWS isn't merely about the compute. EC2 is just part of a larger ecosystem of infrastructure services that has been built out by amazon over the past 10 years. If Oracle thinks they can beat that, then more power to them but I'm not quite convince…
> If Oracle thinks they can beat that, then more power to them but I'm not quite convinced. Don't rule out the power of acquisitions (see: Firebase/Google, Parse/Facebook). Word on the street is that they're also throwing silly mounds of cash at cloud talent.
They just picked up a guy I know who has no cloud experience for a bundle of money.
Seems like a bunch of people around seattle are getting the mounds of cash.
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#58> Ellison showed off a new Oracle Dense Cloud IO bare metal cloud server offering that will provide developers with 36 CPU cores, 512GB of D-RAM, and 28.8TB of SSD storage. AWS isn't merely about the compute. EC2 is just part of a larger ecosystem of infrastructure services that has been built out by amazon over the past 10 years. If Oracle thinks they can beat that, then more power to them but I'm not quite convince…
> EC2 is just part of a larger ecosystem... Exactly. The idea that Oracle can catch up based on pricing & machine specs ("36 CPU cores, 512GB of D-RAM") is really naive. My current position on this is that IaaS is pretty much over. Aliyun & AWS seem like they're going to dominate. Microsoft & Google & others fight for the rest. Maybe, just maybe, Oracle will catch up with the 'small' players, but I doubt Microsoft++…
Is Aliyun that big?
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
there is no attempt to disguise anything - Oracle is your typical stock evil corp, full package. they are pretty damn consistent about it too. they have couple of decent products that they evolve as little as necessary to maintain position, but everything else about them is a big no-no.
If it could get into all the industries, Oracle would literally be Mr. Robot's ECorp.
Or, you know, Cyberdyne Systems - the creators of SkyNet:
http://www.businessinsider.com/terminator-genisys-cyberdyne-...
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#60AWS has many advantages over competitors and one prominent one that stands out the most is Lambda platform. Once customers are tied in to it (very symbiotic code) they would prefer not to move to similar offerings by Oracle or another company unless the cost savings are astronomical enough to motivate otherwise.
(I heavily use Lambda)