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Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by makomk »

majewsky wrote: post #210
TD-Linux wrote: post #93

Do you still have to use iTunes to transfer music to iPhones? Can't you just copy files over and use some other playback app on the iPhone? The author sounds makes it sound like they are "forced" to use iTunes. (disclaimer: the newest Apple product I own was manufactured in 1983)

> Do you still have to use iTunes to transfer music to iPhones? Don't use an iPhone myself, but if I did, I would try if KDE Connect on iOS supports file syncing over Wifi like it does on Android.

KDE Connect is Android-only, and even if there is an iOS version sometime I don't think it would ever be able to support file syncing like on Android due to Apple restrictions on filesystem access.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by Ntrails »

kalleboo wrote: post #224
tomasandrle wrote: post #174

It must be really hard to maintain and add features to such a huge old application. Platforms have changed underneath it, the devices and services it connects to have come and gone, Objective C has changed a lot as well. And then there's the Windows version... Still, iTunes is crap. I hated it so much that I wrote my own music player for iOS, just to avoid using iTunes for putting music on my phone [1]. My guess is t…

> My guess is that sooner or later, iTunes will be dismantled and the features will be split into multiple smaller apps I've been hoping for this for ages, but looking at the new Music app on iOS I guess I should be careful what I wish for. At least iTunes isn't that bad.

I've been listening to music by artists, playing albums in whatever random order iTunes/music deigned to give them in. It's not perfect as I'd like them to be in release order, but never mind.

Updated to ios 10, that feature no longer exists. I can "shuffle" an artists songs, or listen to them in alphabetical order. That seems to be it. Thanks so much.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by nicky0 »

flukus wrote: post #28
Bud wrote: post #17

Interesting that every single UI example in this article is from an old version of Windows. Fuck Windows. You want iTunes to work well? You want to see Apple's real UI? Then use their real platform.

If iTunes is so awkward why would I want to switch to a whole OS + computer made by the same company?

It is a fair question. However, iTunes is arguably Apple's worst product. So it's not really a representative sample for judging their entire output on.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by gergles »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #154

I have never seen any software turn adults into a pile of tears faster that iTunes. Trying to put music on your iPhone the night before a trip is the most god damn frustrating thing in modern software. It literally can't be done. If all you want to do is copy a few songs to your iPhone you can't fucking do it. It tries to sync your phone. Then says "warning: this will delete everything". What the fucking fuck motherf…

Copytrans now costs $20.

There is no good tool for "just put some fucking music on my iPhone" that doesn't cost money that I've ever been able to find.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by tomasandrle »

SCdF wrote: post #226

OK, so I use OSX, and I want to play mp3s that I have locally, and see them in a library format that I can search. Even maybe have album art, though I'm not fussed. Ignoring itunes, how do I do it? What is a good fast low memory music playing app with library management? If I was on Windows I'd be using Foobar2k. On OSX it seems to be either itunes, a command line app, or various bloated messes that aren't honestly b…

Vox is not perfect but works fine as a player: http://coppertino.com/vox/mac

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by ajscanlan »

flukus wrote: post #121
Dain42 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're probably outside the 95th percentile on that one, though, and good design targets the rest of the user base. I think most people probably just got annoyed by accidentally hitting those, or by them taking up real-estate or cluttering the view.

> You're probably outside the 95th percentile on that one In what way? If you mean one handed usage, it's pretty common here when people are standing on public transport, you need to hold on with one hand. If you mean the infrequency I need it, take a look through you're list of installed apps and tell me how many require zooming? Almost all are designed specifically to avoid it.

In maps and chrome on Android you can zoom with one hand by double tapping and dragging up/down

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by the_other »

f4stjack wrote: post #181
yaegers wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is, they can never satify everybody. I bet you that if they ever split iTunes up in separate apps like you suggested there will also be a lot of people who dislike that approach and rant along the lines of "Why did they split it up? It was so convenient to have everything in one place. Now I have to open a multitude of apps" No matter how much sense that may make, there will be people like that. The quest…

Agreed. Satisfaction is not an objective commodity. But Apple Music really, definitively, needs its own app considering the problems it creates in people's iTunes libraries.

I agree, but doubt it will happen.

Step by step, Apple are pushing their customers towards subscription services. They did it with photos first, then music. From macOS Sierra onwards they'll be doing it with the "Documents" and "Desktop" directory.

iTunes has always acted as an advance party for Apple's next business experiments. It gets UI changes ahead of the OS. It gets "features" like this subscription funnelling ahead of the OS.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by aidos »

SCdF wrote: post #226

OK, so I use OSX, and I want to play mp3s that I have locally, and see them in a library format that I can search. Even maybe have album art, though I'm not fussed. Ignoring itunes, how do I do it? What is a good fast low memory music playing app with library management? If I was on Windows I'd be using Foobar2k. On OSX it seems to be either itunes, a command line app, or various bloated messes that aren't honestly b…

In a similar vein, is there a general recommendation for locally web hosting your music yourself. Is it one of the plexy type setups?

More OT, but what about personal photos / videos? I find the whole Apple photos experience depressing. Two examples of why

- my wife and I really share a photo collection, but it's neigh on impossible for us to automatically sync all our images to one another

- this weekend I made a stop motion clip with my kids by taking photos on my phone. We tried to move the images to my computer so we could put them together / edit them but were stuck waiting for the devices to sync on some sort of black magic driven schedule.

Is there any general solution out there for families who want to share their content (local music collection and photos / videos taken) seamlessly?

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by TorKlingberg »

tomasandrle wrote: post #219
massysett wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Apple would have split up iTunes long ago if it were only a Mac application, but they don't want to distribute a bunch of smaller Windows apps.

Sure. Hopefuly "a bunch" could be reduced to just two: Apple Music client and iPhone sync app. The rest would be removed without a replacement (on Windows). The headphone jack removal shows that Apple is willing to make people angry about some things for a long term benefit and iTunes is imho a good candidate for the next "act of courage", heh.

Could they drop the iPhone sync app completely? These days the iPhone should be able to do all the syncing it needs directly against the internet.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by Keyframe »

SCdF wrote: post #226

OK, so I use OSX, and I want to play mp3s that I have locally, and see them in a library format that I can search. Even maybe have album art, though I'm not fussed. Ignoring itunes, how do I do it? What is a good fast low memory music playing app with library management? If I was on Windows I'd be using Foobar2k. On OSX it seems to be either itunes, a command line app, or various bloated messes that aren't honestly b…

On OSX I quit and just use preview. I'm not even kidding.
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