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Re: Introducing Amazon Wind Farm Texas

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dave_sullivan wrote: post #54
peteretep wrote: post #26

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Post by stcredzero »

0verD0ses wrote: post #63

I doubt this will offset the huge boost in emissions which will come with Amazon's 'Flex' service, which will see products delivered fast via horribly inefficient passenger cars, as opposed to relatively efficient vans and trucks.

One person delivering to many people will be more efficient than many people making the trip to the store in their own cars.

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Post by 0verD0ses »

stcredzero wrote: post #72
0verD0ses wrote: post #63

I doubt this will offset the huge boost in emissions which will come with Amazon's 'Flex' service, which will see products delivered fast via horribly inefficient passenger cars, as opposed to relatively efficient vans and trucks.

One person delivering to many people will be more efficient than many people making the trip to the store in their own cars.

Yes that is true, but why go backwards?

Re: Introducing Amazon Wind Farm Texas

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Post by dzhiurgis »

dave_sullivan wrote: post #54
peteretep wrote: post #26

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You print your passport yourself, because Bezos is proud of the cheap culture he creates.

Re: Introducing Amazon Wind Farm Texas

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Post by new_hackers »

michaelt wrote: post #44
Dylan16807 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a flaw in treating electricity as fungible in this case? What matters is the amount of carbon that would be produced without Amazon, vs. the amount produced including Amazon.

It impacts how interesting the article is. If they were together there could be a tech angle - like how this was going to insulate their data centres from problems with the grid, or how they were going to shed load when the wind wasn't blowing, or something like that. Otherwise it sounds like AWS and Amazon Wind Power could basically be two unrelated companies.

perhaps AWS as a whole has a reasonable constant electric load. The price per MWh fluctuates during "on-peak" and "off-peak" hours. The price really goes up when you accidentally need more power during peak demand.

I'm wondering if wind power isn't an effort to decrease the price they pay on the open market for peak power, or to at least recoup some of those costs.

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Post by new_hackers »

msisk6 wrote: post #28
johnm1019 wrote: post #3

Are these wind farms located near data centers and such use the power directly? Or do they dump into the grid and sell it as power then claim all their power usage is renewable because it is "offset"?

No, this is out in west Texas where wind is plentiful along with cheap land. Nearly all wind and solar farms inject energy into the grid just like any other generator. In an open energy market like ERCOT (where this wind farm is located) there's a market where energy is traded. If they inject "X" units of energy into the grid and pull out the same "X" units all is good. If not (the usual case since generation and dem…

are any of the Amazon Data Centers located in ERCOT? Not that I could find in a quick search?

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Post by monksy »

anexprogrammer wrote: post #69
dave_sullivan wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Post by kevan »

0verD0ses wrote: post #74
stcredzero wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One person delivering to many people will be more efficient than many people making the trip to the store in their own cars.

Yes that is true, but why go backwards?

Because the current van and truck experience for me is a tracking update at 6am saying "Your package is out for delivery" and then it actually gets delivered sometime in the next 12 hours. As a customer that's a crappy experience. Hopefully flex will push everyone to up their game with regards to delivery experience. If vans and trucks are more efficient then they should win out in the long run because they can operate at lower margins.

Disclaimer: I work with Amazon, not on the Flex team. My words don't represent the company.

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Post by bogomipz »

msisk6 wrote: post #28
johnm1019 wrote: post #3

Are these wind farms located near data centers and such use the power directly? Or do they dump into the grid and sell it as power then claim all their power usage is renewable because it is "offset"?

No, this is out in west Texas where wind is plentiful along with cheap land. Nearly all wind and solar farms inject energy into the grid just like any other generator. In an open energy market like ERCOT (where this wind farm is located) there's a market where energy is traded. If they inject "X" units of energy into the grid and pull out the same "X" units all is good. If not (the usual case since generation and dem…

But grids are local in nature correct? If they inject X unit of energy into the local West Texas grid and they pull X units from the grid in West Virginia where they have a datacenter, are all things equal? I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this.
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