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HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by proactivesvcs »

gaius wrote: post #47
henrygrew wrote: post #35

Very dishonest practice from HP i'm never going to use any of their products again.

It's very sad - I am old enough to remember when HP was synonymous with quality and doing the right thing for both customers and employees. Hewlett and Packard (the founders) would never have pulled a stunt like this. Fiorina destroyed that legacy almost overnight.

And I'd buy their products from their reputation. I can't imagine they'll redeem themselves from such a long period of reprehensible policies and shoddy products.

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Post by kalleboo »

brassic wrote: post #89
DavideNL wrote: post #57

Slightly offtopic, but, I've been using a HP printer for the past years (Photosmart D7360) and am also VERY annoyed, one example: whenever one of my color cartridges is past it's expiry date i can't print in black and white . Even though the black cartridge is brand new. I first have to go buy a new color cartridge (which i don't use) and then i can print in black again. The warning message says something like "if yo…

Most colour printers never print in just black and white. They always need a bit of yellow: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10...

That's laser printers

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Post by [deleted] »

brassic wrote: post #89
DavideNL wrote: post #57

Slightly offtopic, but, I've been using a HP printer for the past years (Photosmart D7360) and am also VERY annoyed, one example: whenever one of my color cartridges is past it's expiry date i can't print in black and white . Even though the black cartridge is brand new. I first have to go buy a new color cartridge (which i don't use) and then i can print in black again. The warning message says something like "if yo…

Most colour printers never print in just black and white. They always need a bit of yellow: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10...

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Post by yyhhsj0521 »

bArray wrote: post #59

I think this calls for a cheap open source printer to be made. Nothing complex is needed initially, just black and white with low running costs. In reality, any liquid that stains the paper of a given consistency should be fine. It shouldn't be costing this much to replace ink.

We need custom ROMs for printers. Like we have OpenWRT for routers.

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Post by kreitje »

auxym wrote: post #100
froh42 wrote: post #71

Such behaviour is the reason I threw out a perfectly working HP OfficeJet one day and will never buy a single HP printer in my life. In the OfficeJet in question I only used genuine cartridges, but every few year it would stop receiving black and white faxes because (the nearly full) color cartidge was passing its expiry date - forcing me to throw away the full color cartridge and buying a new one.

FWIW I had an epson printer that refused to print B&W documents until I replaced the cyan cartridge. Fixed the problem temporarily by getting cheap chinese cartridge off ebay, but Epson is now very much on my boycott list.

I just had a Lexmark tell me cyan, yellow and magenta were low, which was fine since the document I was printing was black text with 2 exceptions for arrows where to sign in red.

It printed all the text in orange and the 2 arrows were a perfect red.

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Post by Spooky23 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #5
Sanddancer wrote: post #2

I wouldn't doubt it for a second. Printer makers use the razor/razorblade model for consumables, where the printer's dirt cheap, but the ink costs an arm and a leg. This is just the latest tactic for getting people to go OEM only. At this point, I long for the good old days, when Canon embraced 3rd party ink vendors. Canon's cartridges were cheap because the print heads were a separate, replaceable, item, and the thi…

I never understood the razor/razorblade analogy. A razor handle without a blade is just a shaped bit of plastic or metal, without any working or moving parts. The precision engineering is all in the blade. It'd be weird if the handle wasn't cheap and the blades more expensive. But a printer really is a non-trivial set of electronics and working parts, so it is more surprising that they're so cheap.

That's because you've probably grown up under this regime. Older style razors are the opposite.

My dad has probably spent $100 in shaving supplies over the last 30 years. I got suckered into Gillette and could probably buy a Honda Accord for the money I've dumped into this crap.

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Post by pfooti »

dsr_ wrote: post #104
raphaelh wrote: post #88

So what is a good brand of laser printers that work well under Linux and accepts unofficial toners?

Brother. Look for: - BRScript3 (their clone of PostScript) - ethernet port - a "D" on the end means it can print on both sides, duplexing. It's slower but oh so much more convenient. Printers with all these features start around $100.

Yup. I have had two brother printers so far. The first was about 8 years old when the paper feed became unreliable, so I replaced it with a newer (color) model. Prints great, takes whatever cartridges fit, works fine with Linux, windows and osx. Haven't tried network printing from Android or iOS yet.

Disclaimer: I probably print about five pages a month, so it hardly sees extensive use. I also don't print photo quality stuff, mostly role playing maps and characters for gaming sessions. But under those constraints, it's been great.

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Post by Spooky23 »

clarry wrote: post #67
tdkl wrote: post #43

Does this also happens with laser toner cartridges ? I really have no idea why people even buy those inkjet printers anymore, price per page is lower with laser printers and prices even for a color laser are in sub 200€$ range.

Laser sucks for printing photos.

You'll get better quality from shutterfly, apple, etc.

If you need something quick, most CVS and RiteAid stores let you Sunil photos online and pickup in 1-3 hours.

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Post by noonespecial »

The best way to make a difference against this nastyness realistically available to us is probably the "one star review".

And when you do, resist writing 10 paragraphs about all the times HP has ever wronged you or a long story about how much you needed the printout when it refused to print.

One star, one sentence. "Expires full inks after only x months forcing you to buy new ones when you don't need them."

I know for certain these short, sweet reviews change the buying behavior of my non-techie family.

Make a difference. Write a product review today.

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Post by schlowmo »

Old, but still so true:

"Why I Believe Printers Were Sent From Hell To Make Us Miserable"

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/printers

Had this one printed out (oh that irony) and taped it to our office wall when we had to deal with crappy printers on a daily basis working for a big DAX company.

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