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HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by izacus »

woliveirajr wrote: post #21

Laser OKI color printer isn't different. Each toner (CMYK) has a life based on printed pages and stop working even if there's toner inside. No third part supplier, because the printer won't recognize it. And it's useless torefill it if you don't change some chip in each toner. And then the fusor will also stop after some number of pages, no matter if the quality was still good. To replace it you spend more than you p…

Which OKI do you have?

Since I'm running my C301dn on 3rd party toners for awhile now.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by sylv3r »

Animats wrote: post #7

There's the Epson Eco-Tank series. Ink is in four bottles at the side of the machine, good for about 4000-6000 pages. Refill with Epson ink bottles or (a bit more messily) from bulk ink. The printer costs about $279. You do have to clean the print heads occasionally. That's the price of long life print heads.

Even brother is joining in the refillable tank brigade. No need to get a cartridge based printer in 2016 :)

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by sitharus »

scarecrowbob wrote: post #13
chrisseaton wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood the razor/razorblade analogy. A razor handle without a blade is just a shaped bit of plastic or metal, without any working or moving parts. The precision engineering is all in the blade. It'd be weird if the handle wasn't cheap and the blades more expensive. But a printer really is a non-trivial set of electronics and working parts, so it is more surprising that they're so cheap.

As another poster points out, modern blades are different than older style blades where the blade was just a thin piece of sharp metal. I have one from my great grandfather... the blades are the definitely the cheap, disposable part. That's the model which the idea refers to.

In modern money, my razor handle cost ~us$70, but the blades code around 20c each.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by supercoder »

chris_wot wrote: post #12

If this is affecting printers in Australia, then HP are going to learn a very costly lesson in ethics. The ACCC will have to do an investigation, but the instant they confirm this has occurred they will face stiff fines for third line forcing and anti-competitive behaviour distorting the market.

There are no fines large enough the ACCC can serve that will stop them from this practice. ACCC is pretty toothless again big companies like this.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by gaius »

henrygrew wrote: post #35

Very dishonest practice from HP i'm never going to use any of their products again.

It's very sad - I am old enough to remember when HP was synonymous with quality and doing the right thing for both customers and employees. Hewlett and Packard (the founders) would never have pulled a stunt like this. Fiorina destroyed that legacy almost overnight.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by seanp2k2 »

azarias wrote: post #29
eggy wrote: post #6

I haven't owned and HP printer in a while, but this article will stop me from making an HP printer my next purchase if and when I need one. What a dirty, cheap tactic by HP! They'll fire some low-wage earner worker and a mid-level manager over this, while the real culprit stays at his job I'm sure. Definitely class-action, and even criminal, no? Consumer fraud, deception? Third-party replacements are running fine in…

HP just agreed to buy Samsung's printing business. https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/12/hp-is-buying-samsungs-prin...

Eh, those were terrible anyway. I have an ML2525w which should be wireless, but in reality almost never joins the wifi network on boot reliably like all of the ESP8266s I have. I have to re-run setup on it all the time, and half the time it doesn't get detected by the tool. I gave up long ago and just hard-wired it. If I follow the exact turn-on procedure it likes and wait for it to be fully settled before attempting to print, it generally will start printing within a minute or so.

Honestly, I'm so done with printers. If I really need something, I can run to the 24hr kinkos or the office center in my complex. Owning a printer in 2016 seems kind of silly.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by [deleted] »

scarecrowbob wrote: post #13
chrisseaton wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood the razor/razorblade analogy. A razor handle without a blade is just a shaped bit of plastic or metal, without any working or moving parts. The precision engineering is all in the blade. It'd be weird if the handle wasn't cheap and the blades more expensive. But a printer really is a non-trivial set of electronics and working parts, so it is more surprising that they're so cheap.

As another poster points out, modern blades are different than older style blades where the blade was just a thin piece of sharp metal. I have one from my great grandfather... the blades are the definitely the cheap, disposable part. That's the model which the idea refers to.

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Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by tluyben2 »

Not trolling, but why do you use printers? I haven't used paper for 5 odd years now. The gov here (Spain) gives me tons of paper; I photograph it and then leave it and have them print it out when needed. Outside that I have not needed paper since the ipad. Why do other people?
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