I think these types of article have a too-narrow definition of rationality. I think that emotions, feelings and intuition are subconscious processes but still part of the faculty of reason. The mistake is to think that rationality = conscious-logical-deduction but anyone who has solved some complex problem knows the experience of working on a problem or days, weeks, months or even years and then one day the solution just hits you, usually when you aren't actually working on the problem.
The Difference Between Rationality and Intelligence
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#12> people tend to make decisions based on intuition rather than reason. I think these types of article have a too-narrow definition of rationality. I think that emotions, feelings and intuition are subconscious processes but still part of the faculty of reason. The mistake is to think that rationality = conscious-logical-deduction but anyone who has solved some complex problem knows the experience of working on a prob…
I don't believe that would ever be a helpful definition of the word.
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Reason is conscious; intuition is subconscious.
Of course, they're related: reason can train intuition, and intuition can catalyze reason. But I disagree that a conversational distinction is inappropriate.
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#13 “Linda is 31 years old, single, outspoken
and very bright. She majored in philosophy.
As a student, she was deeply concerned with
issues of discrimination and social justice,
and also participated in antinuclear
demonstrations.”
Then they asked the subjects which was more
probable:
(A) Linda is a bank teller
or
(B) Linda is a bank teller and
is active in the feminist
movement.
This example is bullshit, for several reasons.We have several known personality attributes provided in the example, and all of them relate to the subjective opinions of an individual and are designed to provide belief in the potential for associations with similar political alignments.
Then we're provided with 2 choices, and each choice couples a previously unknown detail to the individual described, regarding occupation, with no opportunity to exclude the occupation.
We are asked to make an assumption about the individual, based on previously provided information, and guide the formation of our assumption with intuition.
According to The Letter Of The Law, the example asks the respondent to parse probability ONLY, and then penalizes according to the transitive property of equality, because technical interpretations of probability state that, when information has not been previously presented, an individual trait in isolation, is more probable, than a coupling of rare traits.
Which one is more probable? Oh wait, you're
wrong because you misinterpreted our
context-sensitive definition of the word
"probable." You lose.
According to The Spirit Of The Law, the example appears to present the respondent with a set of details, and prompt the respondent with a request to parse the details and demonstrate a display of reading comprehension, such that they show they've observed the relevant details, and drawn a conclusion by associating multiple cultural norms of common political alignment. With the presentation of choice B, and
based on other personal details about
Linda, do you feel it likely that Linda
could be a feminist? Keep in mind that
we've offered clues to her political
alignment, and these may play a role
in the correct answer.
The example reads as: Given: [0, A, 2, C, 4]
Is [E] likely?
or
Does [E, 6] make more sense?
But claims to present: Given: [0, A, 2, C, 4]
Which is most probable?
> [$]
or
> [$, 99]
So, the example is an experiment in providing a loaded question, and then changing the context of expected interpretation, and then declaring proof that people are prone to misinterpretation.The example is like asking someone if they were happy about who won The World Series, and then telling them you're not inviting them to a soccer game, because of their opinions on baseball.
The example the authors have provided is designed to promote assumptions, without providing adequate context for expectations, and that is fucking stupid.
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#14> people tend to make decisions based on intuition rather than reason. I think these types of article have a too-narrow definition of rationality. I think that emotions, feelings and intuition are subconscious processes but still part of the faculty of reason. The mistake is to think that rationality = conscious-logical-deduction but anyone who has solved some complex problem knows the experience of working on a prob…
While intuition may be useful to get good results (perhaps it is the subconscious quickly applying some pattern that has worked in the past) there's no way to know a particular use of intuition worked unless you go back later and rationally analyze the results.
And more importantly, there's no reason to believe intuition works at all unless we either 1) understand it on something like a neurological psychological level (I would not hold my breath waiting for this) or 2) do some statistical modeling of it's reliably.
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#15The article presents the following experimental premise: “Linda is 31 years old, single, outspoken and very bright. She majored in philosophy. As a student, she was deeply concerned with issues of discrimination and social justice, and also participated in antinuclear demonstrations.” Then they asked the subjects which was more probable: (A) Linda is a bank teller or (B) Linda is a bank teller and is active in the fe…
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#16> people tend to make decisions based on intuition rather than reason. I think these types of article have a too-narrow definition of rationality. I think that emotions, feelings and intuition are subconscious processes but still part of the faculty of reason. The mistake is to think that rationality = conscious-logical-deduction but anyone who has solved some complex problem knows the experience of working on a prob…
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#17If this interests you, check out https://intelligence.org/rationality-ai-zombies/ .
Also about the mosquito nets versus AI dialectic in Effective Altruism.
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#18I wonder sometimes whether rationalization came before logic. Perhaps using logic in a rigorous way (as in a mathematical proof) evolved out of persuasive techniques that are intended to get people to believe you, regardless of whether you're right? Looking for logical flaws in arguments might have arisen as defense against persuasive techniques.
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#19> people tend to make decisions based on intuition rather than reason. I think these types of article have a too-narrow definition of rationality. I think that emotions, feelings and intuition are subconscious processes but still part of the faculty of reason. The mistake is to think that rationality = conscious-logical-deduction but anyone who has solved some complex problem knows the experience of working on a prob…
Are you suggesting that reason include intuition? I don't believe that would ever be a helpful definition of the word. --- Reason is conscious; intuition is subconscious. Of course, they're related: reason can train intuition, and intuition can catalyze reason. But I disagree that a conversational distinction is inappropriate.
Here is an example you experience every single day and even right now if you type a reply to my comment. If you want to express an idea in words you don't consciously and methodically select words from a dictionary, no. The words come automatically with nary a thought, you just issue the command to summon the words to express your idea.
Without this ability you (and more specifically reason) could not function at all, ergo, intuition and subconscious processes must be a component of reason, reason being our faculty for processing information.