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New iPhone Agreement Bans Flash-to-iPhone Compiler & Others

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Re: New iPhone Agreement Bans Flash-to-iPhone Compiler & Others

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Post by buster »

wisty wrote: post #258
ewjordan wrote: post #177

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If you believe Trefis, the iPhone makes up a little over 50% of AAPL's value as compared to ~20% from the Mac line, so anyone that thinks of it as more successful is right: http://www.trefis.com/company?hm=AAPL.trefis&hk=34d9a244... I really hope that this ridiculousness doesn't start to bleed through - the MacBook Pro is pretty much the only laptop I've ever considered usable for development, and I don't know what I…

Get a Sony Vaio Z, and install Lucid?

Yes, second Sony laptop ind the last 6 years (so i had the first one 5 years, and it's still in use without any hardware problems!). Displays are top notch, as well as the keyboards on the new one, best keyboard i've seen. Of course that's purely subjective ;)

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Post by MutantSushi »

cheald wrote: post #146
AndrewO wrote: post #88

While Adobe is going to bear the brunt of this, this looks like a calculated move against Android as well. By precluding things like PhoneGap (if it turns out that it's "an intermediary translation or compatibility layer"), they're forcing developers that can only afford to write an application once to choose one platform. Right now, iPhone is the easy choice for a lot of developers, just based on market. The end res…

If I have to pick one platform, it's going to be Android. I already know Java, but even more simply than that, I know Javascript, and Appcelerator's Titanium lets me basically write an app as though it was a web app. I don't have to invest 2 months of intensive study at the cost of my other work; I'm going to go with what I know. Companies that have existing resources in Objective C, sure, they may choose to go with…

I have to pick one platform besides CocoaTouch it would be Nokia/Intel's MeeGo.

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Post by more_original »

api wrote: post #167
mjgoins wrote: post #77

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I have a Starling Netbook from system76. Nothing to write home about, but I've had few, if any real problems with it. It's a little flimsy, physically. And I am a proud free software zealot, so I moved it to debian.

Hmm... if it's flimsy I probably wouldn't like it. One thing I don't like about Apple hardware is how you have to treat it like a family heirloom or it turns into a scratched up mess. Anything less hardy than that would be unusable. Toughbooks are also promising, but they're light on the specs... could someone please make a durable and well-specced laptop?

I moved to a Thinkpad (from a Powerbook) two years ago and couldn't be happier. Ubuntu just works and the hardware feels more solid that the Powerbook did.

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Post by MutantSushi »

joubert wrote: post #319
tumult wrote: post #262

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I could do it with assembly. But it would be stupid, and wasteful. Objective-C is not the tool for every job. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_tarpit

Do you have empirical evidence to prove which language(s) are better than C, C++, Objective-C, and JavaScript in creating applications on the iPhone's runtime and UI model?

Empirical evidence? Ask the guys Apple is funding to do MacRuby.

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Post by JPtw »

raganwald wrote: post #46

Getting away from the frenzied rhetoric, my opinion is that what Apple really wants to prevent is people releasing multi-platform compilers. So taking Flash as just one example, if I can build one app and the compiler can make me an iPhone executable, an Android executable, and so forth, Apple don't want that. In my experience so far with such "cross platform compatibility layers," they always produce results that wa…

Performance is an easy excuse. A terrible programmer can do worse than cross compiler. If Apple do care about the so-called performance, they should judge apps by their quaility, not the process of how they are created.

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Post by sgrove »

jrockway wrote: post #96

Who's going to know? My C happens to look exactly like what Chicken Scheme generates!

Out of curiosity, do you happen to have chicken scheme working on the iphone? I've been developing a 3d engine with it for the past few days with the intention of porting it to the iphone, so if you have some progress already, that would be awesome.

...or would have been, before this announcement. Ouch.

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Post by andrewfong »

tvon wrote: post #216
api wrote: post #195

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Couldn't you have a non-fascist solution to this? Do something like Reddit, Digg, or Hacker News... let people guinea-pig apps and upvote/downvote them and sort in each category.

Because those sites aren't full of bullshit...? (HN is, IMO, above the rest but it's certainly not immune to mob rule) Besides, with the money involved in high rankings you'd have to constantly police the system against gaming, which would be, I'm guessing, more work than policing the submissions directly a they do now.

It'd be an issue, but it would be relatively easier for Apple to protect against gaming than for Digg or Reddit. Unlike Digg, Apple can get access to unique hardware identifiers. They also have some experience with DRM. Is it possible to get around that? Sure, but it's much harder than simply gaming IP addresses and cookies.

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Post by blub »

api wrote: post #180
city41 wrote: post #161

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Although historically I have always agreed with you, I dare say Microsoft is starting to figure it out. Slowly but surely. Win7 is almost a pleasant experience.

Windows 7 is usable for two reasons: 1) They removed much of the "originality" that they did from Vista. 2) They copied more stuff from Apple, and a little bit from the Linux ecosystem. Oh... and what's their fetish with that sickening shade of teal/blue? Yuck! It looks like smurf vomit.

I doubt that Microsoft has copied anything from the Linux ecosystem. And with Linux innovations such as moving the window buttons around for no reason and upsetting their users, I don't see why they would.

Linux fans need to relax a bit and realize they're number three for a reason and work harder not complain harder.

Edid: I'm sorry, do I sound bitter? Maybe I've grown disillusioned with the difference between the reality in the trenches and fans extolling the features of product X, where X is any of Linux, Mac, Windows, iPhone, etc.

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