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Norway plans to cull more than two-thirds of its wolf population

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Re: Norway plans to cull more than two-thirds of its wolf population

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Post by labster »

Who made Anders Brevik the environment minister?

That population would be below the level necessary to maintain genetic diversity. At least in NZ, the Kiwis have the decency to say that they want a species eliminated outright.

And before you downvote, ask yourself: Senseless violence to stop outsiders who are just trying to survive: is it really any less bad when the outsiders are animals?

Re: Norway plans to cull more than two-thirds of its wolf population

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Post by dalke »

labster wrote: post #2

Who made Anders Brevik the environment minister? That population would be below the level necessary to maintain genetic diversity. At least in NZ, the Kiwis have the decency to say that they want a species eliminated outright. And before you downvote, ask yourself: Senseless violence to stop outsiders who are just trying to survive: is it really any less bad when the outsiders are animals?

These wolves are not outsiders. They are native to Norway.

Brevik killed Norwegians, in opposition to immigration. He did not directly kill outsiders.

This is not a one-off event. The Norwegian government has done this before. From 2001, http://www.cbsnews.com/news/killing-wolves-in-norway/

> A Norwegian government team killed the fourth of nine wolves ordered felled in a hunt that has outraged conservationists and Swedish officials. ...

> Norway ordered the nine shot after complaints from local farmers of wolves killing livestock and pets, and wandering into farms and villages in a zone designated as wolf-free.

> Conservationists and Swedish officials have objected to the hunt, saying there are still so few wolves that killing nearly 10 percent of the stock is irresponsible.

Re: Norway plans to cull more than two-thirds of its wolf population

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Post by 0x07c0 »

>That population would be below the level necessary to maintain genetic diversity. At least in NZ, the Kiwis have the decency to say that they want a species eliminated outright. The Norwegian wolf population is a common population with the Swedish population. The total is something like 400 wolfs. (For the record I support a robust wolf population.)

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Post by spatulan »

labster wrote: post #2

Who made Anders Brevik the environment minister? That population would be below the level necessary to maintain genetic diversity. At least in NZ, the Kiwis have the decency to say that they want a species eliminated outright. And before you downvote, ask yourself: Senseless violence to stop outsiders who are just trying to survive: is it really any less bad when the outsiders are animals?

"And before you downvote, ask yourself: Senseless violence to stop outsiders who are just trying to survive: is it really any less bad when the outsiders are animals?"

Yes, it is.

Re: Norway plans to cull more than two-thirds of its wolf population

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Post by dazzawazza »

For thousands of years humans have farmed with wolves near by. The Japanese used to use Akita to fend off wolves who are looking for the easiest, lowest risk source of calories. Seems to me that the Norwegians should ask the Sami people of the region how they lived with wolves for so long while herding reindeer and maybe look at using the Lapphund to guard their herds.

Of course that may mean they would have to go out and shoot the wolves after the dogs warn them but that would have a positive effect on the wolves teaching them that they get shot if they go near the sheep. Culls don't teach the wolf packs anything.

That may also mean the farmers have to live with their herds which doesn't blend well with modern life so maybe we should scrap the sheep farming and not the wolves?

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