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Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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post #110

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Suppose that you're accused of a crime in North Korea and somehow you manage to escape the country. Will you still respect what you said in the comment and return to NK to stand trial ? Replace North Korea with Iran, Iraq, Syria or any other country known to be a corrupt or totalitarian state... Aka at least half of all the countries in the world... As a foreigner, you wouldn't trust the justice system in those count…

Sweden is not North Korea and countries don't extradite to the US all the time because the US justice system is atrocious by first world standards. Should a Swedish court rule against extraditing Assange to the US, that will have exactly no impact on the relationship between the US and Sweden. No government can reasonably expect from another to break its own laws and it is certainly not in US interest for Sweden to g…

> No government can reasonably expect from another to break its own laws and it is certainly not in US interest for Sweden to go down that route.

I feel and respect your desire for and belief in integrity on the part of the system, but it's extremely naive to believe that.

Maybe it's the fact that I've lived in many different cultures (including Sweden for a year btw!) or maybe it's my age, but what I've taken away from life so far is this:

There's the story which all people (should) believe and then there's the shit that happens.

We're being lied to since we're born - santa claus, tooth fairy, God, then justice, patriotism, news, terrorism, traitors and so on.

Wikileaks is one of the tools which shows us a glimpse of the shit that really happens.

Corruption, under-the-table deals, intimidations - including members of foreign governments, illegal detentions of foreign citizens, surveillance..

Always treat 'the System' with healthy skepticism - and that is because the information that it broadcasts is often false - due to incompetence on the part of the 'reporters' (usually) or due to hidden agendas that so many groups have.

The world is a combination of many chess games played at the same time - in some you're a pawn, in some you're a rook, in some you're the board ;).

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

#122

It's funny how a few years ago Assange was portrayed as a hero fronting this exciting Wikileaks thing which leaked evidence of war crimes and stood up for the whistleblowers and the little man. Now he seems involved in some strange right-wing cabal involving everything from the Kremlin to Donald Trump? Was he that guy all along, or did he kind of turn into that side of things while stuck in the embassy?

Maybe your statement is evidence that it is too easy for those in power to tarnish the reputations of those which seek to curb their power

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

#123
post #45

This is not the first time Sweden has violated human dignity for the sake of helping out the US. One example: https://www.hrw.org/news/2006/11/09/sweden-violated-torture-...

Yeah, I'd rather focus on the victims of sexual assault than on the suspect trying to evade the law. What if it was your daughters/sisters/friends who were abused? Sweden is not a "banana republic" or whatever you're trying to imply here.

Have you read the case against Assange? It's very, very fishy.

At the very worst, this is not a case of rape in the traditional definition of the word. At worst, it is a modern interpretation as what qualifies as rape, as in "I invited him to sleep with me and stay at my apartment, and we were sleeping together for a week, but then a few weeks after we had sex I later regretted it."

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

#124

This is not the first time Sweden has violated human dignity for the sake of helping out the US. One example: https://www.hrw.org/news/2006/11/09/sweden-violated-torture-...

What about the dignity of the two girls? They're not worth anything?

Of course is matters but as others have already commented the case against Assange is very fishy smelling.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

#125
post #117

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I'm my opinion this goes against european human rights. As soon as Sweden asked for him to be extradited from England, the clock starts ticking. After two years, they violated his right to a speedy trail and he is free to go. I'm really sad that his hasn't gone to the European Court of Human Right to decide against Sweden (or England, because it is actually England that is keeping him locked up). Note that I do not h…

So if as a regular citizen I commit 2 rapes (and they know who I am) if I am able to disappear for 2 years, then I'm free? That's convenient.

Nope. At least in Sweden you have to disappear for 10 years.

So he only has another 4 years to go

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

#126

It's funny how a few years ago Assange was portrayed as a hero fronting this exciting Wikileaks thing which leaked evidence of war crimes and stood up for the whistleblowers and the little man. Now he seems involved in some strange right-wing cabal involving everything from the Kremlin to Donald Trump? Was he that guy all along, or did he kind of turn into that side of things while stuck in the embassy?

Maybe your statement is evidence that it is too easy for those in power to tarnish the reputations of those which seek to curb their power

That might explain why he's portrayed as such. I doubt anyone twisted his arm to force him to do his own show on RT (The state sponsored Russian Breitbart) however.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

#127

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What about the dignity of the two girls? They're not worth anything?

Dignity of the two girls is not involved because they did not report being raped or molested despite what the news say. Ms. Ardin hosted Assange six days after the alleged incident and threw party for him. Ms. Wilen and Assange separated in good mood afterwards and had breakfast together. They went to police in order to persuade him to be tested for sexually transmitted diseases and after the police said they cold no…

This comment should really be further towards the top to make it more visible.

Unfortunately, due to the media people now associate Assange with "rape."

I grew up thinking rape meant something completely different than whatever happened here, be it, at the worst, what sounds like unpleasant and regrettable consensual sex.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

#128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe your statement is evidence that it is too easy for those in power to tarnish the reputations of those which seek to curb their power

That might explain why he's portrayed as such. I doubt anyone twisted his arm to force him to do his own show on RT (The state sponsored Russian Breitbart) however.

What is wrong with that?

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

#129
post #42

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You're absolutely right, Assange should face his accusers in court. That's obvious. The problem is that Sweden and the UK are complicit in America's desire to seize Assange and put him in prison without even the possibility of a fair trial, and the first step in that process is his extradition to the US from either the UK or Sweden. That is what's interfering with the case and what Assange is fleeing from, not the ra…

What extradition order? The Swedes have asked the UK to extradite him to Sweden. The US hasn't asked either the UK nor Sweden to extradite him to the US. Is there even a court case against him in the US? The extradition to the US seems to be Assange's own narrative. Why didn't the US reach out to get him on the streets of London?

> The extradition to the US seems to be Assange's own narrative

This is the real issue. Whether or not he would likely be extradited if he were to return to Sweden.

Obviously Assange thinks he will otherwise he would have returned long ago.

If you think he would not be, then that should be the focus of your debate.

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