We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams
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Re: We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams
#2Okay, look. This is easy. I can't pay rent or a mortgage with a team. When my kid asks me what's for dinner, I can't feed her some groceries I got with all the team spirit and esprit de corps that I've picked up. When I need to go to the doctor and he says I need something expensive, all my fellow teammembers aren't going to immediately offer to pitch in and help with those. The author says "I think that we mistakenly put jobs ahead of teams because we choose to ignore the obvious, and sometimes nuanced complications of remote work." No, it's because I've got bills to pay and people to provide for.
Re: We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams
#3There is no shortage of remote job boards and job aggregators
That's true, there is just a shortage of the job offers. I'm looking for a remote job now. All the job boards have between 2 to 5 job offers per day. To each of them answer thousands of people.
The aggregators are even worse. They are automated. That's why they contain an ad even when it has no remote allowed.
Re: We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams
#4If some of the site owners see this. I clicked on a random job by Gitlab. Two of the links at the end looked interesting. Both are dead.
https://remotebase.io/handbook/hiring/
https://remotebase.io/2015/04/08/the-remote-manifesto/
Whose fail? Gitlab's or RemoteBase's?
Re: We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams
#5Okay, look. This is easy. I can't pay rent or a mortgage with a team. When my kid asks me what's for dinner, I can't feed her some groceries I got with all the team spirit and esprit de corps that I've picked up. When I need to go to the doctor and he says I need something expensive, all my fellow teammembers aren't going to immediately offer to pitch in and help with those. The author says "I think that we mistakenl…
I think there are 2 sides and both sides are important. I think that the author was focussing on the half of our awake time that we spend doing our job, while you are focussing on the other half.
The author is probably talking about naive remote job seekers who focus on the job but don't consider the team culture. I was one such naive job seeker and used to think in that manner until a few years ago.
Re: We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams
#6Okay, look. This is easy. I can't pay rent or a mortgage with a team. When my kid asks me what's for dinner, I can't feed her some groceries I got with all the team spirit and esprit de corps that I've picked up. When I need to go to the doctor and he says I need something expensive, all my fellow teammembers aren't going to immediately offer to pitch in and help with those. The author says "I think that we mistakenl…
I'm surprised you made it all the way to the third paragraph if you just weren't going to read the article.
The point the article is making (a point I understand really well, as a remote worker and a non-24 sleeper) is that a remote job isn't simply "do your exact same job, except do it at home". To actually have it work, you need to fully account for your remote employees. This affects your company, it affects work management, planning, execution, everything. It affects how the work is assigned, how it's prioritized, how the meetings are held. It completely changes the social aspect of the job, so that needs to be accounted for both from the employees' and employers' perspective.
Or you can just ignore all this, interpret the article's title however you feel like, and talk about salary. Whatever.
Re: We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams
#7If some of the site owners see this. I clicked on a random job by Gitlab. Two of the links at the end looked interesting. Both are dead. https://remotebase.io/handbook/hiring/ https://remotebase.io/2015/04/08/the-remote-manifesto/ Whose fail? Gitlab's or RemoteBase's?
Looks like the job text/urls is scraped. These two URL's have the same text:
https://about.gitlab.com/jobs/developer/
https://remotebase.io/company/gitlab/jobs/developer
So I suspect thats a remotebase.io issue. The links you're after are:
Re: We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams
#8Okay, look. This is easy. I can't pay rent or a mortgage with a team. When my kid asks me what's for dinner, I can't feed her some groceries I got with all the team spirit and esprit de corps that I've picked up. When I need to go to the doctor and he says I need something expensive, all my fellow teammembers aren't going to immediately offer to pitch in and help with those. The author says "I think that we mistakenl…
I'm surprised you made it all the way to the third paragraph if you just weren't going to read the article. The point the article is making (a point I understand really well, as a remote worker and a non-24 sleeper) is that a remote job isn't simply "do your exact same job, except do it at home". To actually have it work, you need to fully account for your remote employees. This affects your company, it affects work…
At my employer, it takes 8 dedicated Slack channels, numerous daily, weekly, and monthly meetings, and a dedicated conference room. And continual reminding from the boss - "Call a random team member, and BS for 5 minutes, you have my permission." But my remote coworkers are definitely part of the team.
It does help that the office parts of the team are scattered between 2 offices in widely different time zones - people in the other office may as well be working from home. This is for a 24/7/365 support organization.
Re: We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams
#9If some of the site owners see this. I clicked on a random job by Gitlab. Two of the links at the end looked interesting. Both are dead. https://remotebase.io/handbook/hiring/ https://remotebase.io/2015/04/08/the-remote-manifesto/ Whose fail? Gitlab's or RemoteBase's?
It is RemoteBase's issue. I built a scrapper for them to help keep their recruiting effort DRY.
While it's being fixed, here are the correct links:
Re: We Don’t Simply Get Remote Jobs, We Join Remote Teams
#10There is no shortage of remote job boards and job aggregators That's true, there is just a shortage of the job offers. I'm looking for a remote job now. All the job boards have between 2 to 5 job offers per day. To each of them answer thousands of people. The aggregators are even worse. They are automated. That's why they contain an ad even when it has no remote allowed .
If you're looking for a job, put a bit more info in your HN profile about what sort of work you're looking for, and what you specialise in.